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| Thread ID: 115849 | 2011-02-06 19:33:00 | Yet another terrible UFB article by Chris Barton @nzherald | Chilling_Silence (9) | PC World Chat |
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| 1175662 | 2011-02-07 19:02:00 | Yeah, both of them are too easy to ignore. We need something more like this: bash.org |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1175663 | 2011-02-07 19:09:00 | Companies Office says its owned by Simon & Vicki Barton? Ooops. Yes. Simon, Chris...er.......... |
pctek (84) | ||
| 1175664 | 2011-02-07 22:44:00 | Could someone say what was so bad about the article. I am not being smart I'd just like to know what was bad about it ? |
Digby (677) | ||
| 1175665 | 2011-02-07 23:42:00 | Could someone say what was so bad about the article. I am not being smart I'd just like to know what was bad about it ? Those of us that have been watching Telecom since the late 90's realise they have been doing the bear minimum to stave off regulation. When regulation FINALLY arrived technology had changed with DSL2 and they could use cabinitisation to protect there interest in the local loop. Separation was a bad joke to say the least. The Article is a bit of a rant, but Chris Barton's basic theme is 100% correct, the Telecom Monopoly needs to be broken, just a shame the economy is still struggling along with NZ costliest natural disaster in history. Some people buy into the Telecom advertising of the last few years, other like me have a memory longer than a gold fish :) |
Battleneter2 (9361) | ||
| 1175666 | 2011-02-08 00:40:00 | Yeah but breaking up the monopoly to have it purchased by the Govt makes sense, it's still breaking up the monopoly. Chris Barton just doesn't get that, amongst other things, and he's known to simply Telecom-bash and write pure bull%@#$ with his facts *all* wrong. He's done it lots in the past. Chorus2 as it will be known, would have 85% of the country done by the end of the year with FTTN. The backbone is in-place to support FTTH etc If the government were to buy that up and split up Telecom, then the rollout of FTTN / FTTH would be completed 8-10 years faster than otherwise, along with better pricing (There's not the split of wholesale service providers between Telecom / Govt paying off two networks) for the customer. Chris Barton doesn't know jack .... |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1175667 | 2011-02-08 00:59:00 | Let me provide another example, just so nobody thinks I'm making this up: www.nzherald.co.nz I went on the very first "Geek Exchange Tour". Same thing he went on. However, mine was a solid 12 months prior to his, and even then, I saw that there was gear in the Whisper Cabinets for providing FTTH. He seemed to miss that, even though it was touted by the Chorus guys saying "We've already got the capabilities to roll FTTH, we're just not allowed to". He also complains about "competitors" (Chorus calls them "Access seekers") not immediately being able to get into the Cabinets. They've been able to from Day 1 with those Whisper Cabinets, and even back when I did my tour they mentioned that some already had competitors gear in them. Around 50% of the cabinet is just "patching" of the lines on the right-hand side, with the tech-gear on the left-hand side. Half of the "tech-gear" and DSLAM space was made available to 3rd party access seekers. His ignorance is further displayed when he says "Why not just run FTTH instead of FTTN?" Dumbass, because it's exponentially more expensive to run a mass of cables from the Telephone exchange than it is to have one single pipe to each Cabinet, and then "last mile" from the cabinet again as Fibre to your doorstep. That's just logical, although that too was explained on the tour that I went on. I know the guy that ran them, they've only got better over time, answering more questions and things, so I'm willing to bet money that this very thing was mentioned. Then in the paragraph earlier, it's not a matter of Chorus saying "If you want Fibre, you have to wait until we wanna give it to you". No, it's a matter of "If you want Fibre, we're not yet allowed to give it to you". Government regulation. Then again in this article: www.nzherald.co.nz Comparing DSL of 2 -> 16mbps to Fibre which supposedly "starts" at 100mbps. Apparently at that time he hadn't yet been on the Geek Exchange Tour, so we could argue that should be enough for us to forgive his ignorance, but plans won't "start" at 100mbps for Fibre. They'll be throttled right back just as ADSL has been in the past, just the same as ADSL2+ is, and VDSL2 is (See TelstraClear BizNet). Don't get me wrong, I think Fibre is a great way to go, the best in fact, but there's so much mis-information like what he's providing, it's atrocious! |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1175668 | 2011-02-08 01:38:00 | Yes I have been anti Telecom since the late 80's. Every time there has been negotiations with the government, they have fiitted the government up and arranged things to suit themselves. If I was the government I would do exactly the opposite of what Telecom suggested we do. I was kind of feeling sorry for them as they appeared to be on the cusp of losing everything. Paul Reynolds seems like a nice guy. Pity all of his predecessors were not. They aslo chose the wrong technology several times. But this fibre to the home thing is so important and so costly, that we must get it right or it will hold us back or cost us billions more. And I do thing they should give the rural area a fair go. Obviously they can't supply every house, but the smaller communities should get it. |
Digby (677) | ||
| 1175669 | 2011-02-08 01:59:00 | That's just it, taking over the infrastructure (Cabinetization) that's happened in the past 2-3 years is the same infrastructure the Govt is going to be building from scratch. Why wouldn't the Govt want to take it over? It's definitely not the "wrong" technology, in fact NZ adopted ADSL and had a working product available for consumption within 12 months of the first ADSL technology being available. NZ was one of the pioneering countries when it came to ADSL... That's why there was initially issues around availability and backhaul (The backhaul was upgraded / rectified with the advent of ADSL2+), because they literally had no other countries they could look at and see what adoption was going to be like. If anything, it's the right technology, not the wrong technology ... Doing it right? Hell it's been done right, already. Having the Govt take it over would (Hopefully) ensure a fairer / equal playing field for the "little guy" ISPs as well, because as we know anybody CAN buy space in the Whisper Cabinets, it's just a matter of if it's cost-effective to do-so (Hence why Slingshot / Vodafone / Orcon / TelstraClear are all hopping into bed together and cross-wholesaling in certain places). Having the Govt buy it would potentially kill the need for that, meaning that the only thing an ISP would need to worry about is international bandwidth supply. You'd also like to hope that the Govt would then peer at the likes of the APE / WIX, whereas Telecom currently does not. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1175670 | 2011-02-08 07:38:00 | Yes I have been anti Telecom since the late 80's. Every time there has been negotiations with the government, they have fiitted the government up and arranged things to suit themselves. If I was the government I would do exactly the opposite of what Telecom suggested we do. I was kind of feeling sorry for them as they appeared to be on the cusp of losing everything. Paul Reynolds seems like a nice guy. Pity all of his predecessors were not. They aslo chose the wrong technology several times. But this fibre to the home thing is so important and so costly, that we must get it right or it will hold us back or cost us billions more. And I do thing they should give the rural area a fair go. Obviously they can't supply every house, but the smaller communities should get it. I am a little stumped with the likes of Chillings position. I still feel he is a Telecom share holder, its the ONLY reason anyone that has been following this drama over the years would defend Telecoms position.. Labour and National clearly both agree telecoms been doing a rubbish job over the last decade, its not often they agree on anything but thats how obvious it is. |
Battleneter2 (9361) | ||
| 1175671 | 2011-02-08 09:49:00 | I wish I had the money to spend on shares. Are you telling me that their nationwide cabinetization rollout has been bad? And that people on ADSL2+ off a roadside cabinet (When their wholesaling ISP gets their upstream international bandwidth sorted) ever receives poor speeds? Quite the opposite in fact... I'm not making excused for Theresa Guttang or whatever her name was, under her leadership things were absolutely bloody terrible. I'm just saying, times are a changin'.... Also, considering that Telecom Xtra currently has the lions share of all customers out of any ISP, and they're more than likely going to use their own service in the event that the Govt builds a competing network, is there going to be any advantage in having the two side-by-side as opposed to the Govt buying out Telecoms and utilizing it as *the* primary network for the country, much in the same way that it is currently? I see none. |
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