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Thread ID: 115953	2011-02-11 05:45:00	Jesus.	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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1177149	2011-02-12 19:28:00	Christianity - Belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...Yeah, That makes perfect sense. :confused: Haha, nice one.	tut (12033)
1177150	2011-02-12 19:42:00	.	Metla (12)
1177151	2011-02-12 20:48:00	I'm with Ricky Gervais on this one - thank God I'm an athiest. As for why Jesus, right place and right time, and probably better all round philosophy than say those proposed by L.Ron Hubbard or Joseph Smith. And quite possibly of better character given the former was a dodgey Sci-Fi writer and the latter hardly a saint (a convicted felon in fact). So by and large, the Christian religion is a fairly kind and community spirited one, and the supernatural side of it is fairly harmless and doesn't seem to require people these days to blow things up.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1177152	2011-02-12 20:56:00	Brian Tamati is a great example of whats wrong with religion. __________________ www.robonguitar.co.nz (Thanks to LemusART for the setup!) Err; religion is a great sample of one of the things wrong with Brian Tamati. ;) However as an example of adherence to the principles of our fearless leader, Key man of the Smurfs, he is right on the ball.. Grab something, market it mercilessly, price it outrageously and convince users that it places them among the chosen ones. It works well for churches, political parties, Suzanne Paul, and Apple. Soccer is probably in there too, maybe even cricket.	R2x1 (4628)
1177153	2011-02-12 20:57:00	I'm with Ricky Gervais on this one - thank God I'm an athiest. Atheism imo is as bad as the opposing camp, The question of our existence is so far beyond our comprehension and may always be. Anyone claiming to know the truth one way or another should be ignored, Agnostic is where I sit. But if pushed I'm pretty sure our universe was created in and currently resides in a lab, and that there are many more alongside us all with slightly different parameters, They are all being monitored, So far any developments in our system are too insignificant to be noted and when they are will probably not be viewed as anything special. At some stage the plug will be pulled,probably when the funding is cut.	Metla (12)
1177154	2011-02-12 21:58:00	This chap has given it some thought and might have valid view of things. goo.gl	Cicero (40)
1177155	2011-02-12 22:14:00	But the Tooth Fairy does exist. I distinctly remember getting sixpence once.	Snorkbox (15764)
1177156	2011-02-13 00:06:00	I've been bin thinking about C's question and his comment about ne'er the left and the right meeting. They are connected in a way, because one of the clever things about the use the churches and the state made of J's teachings was to have a bob each way so that both rich and poor (in a sense left and right) got something out of it (or they died at the stake). E.g. 1. J chucked the money lenders out of the temple, and either he or the Bible taught that it was harder for a rich man to get to heaven than for a camel to get through the eye of a needle. A whole Liberation Theology has grown out of this aspect of J's teachings, and it was strong in Sth America, and here in the 1980's at least. So there were goodies for the poor and dispossessed. Life may be a ***** at the moment, but if you are a goodie good and tug your forelock and not your dork you will get your reward in heaven. It gave false hope to the poor. E.g. 2. Monarchs like that ******** Edward 1 used this whole theology thing to prove his legitimacy to be absolute ruler in Britain, by tracing his ancestry (and his wife's) back through figures like Arthur, to Jesus and god. They showed the genealogy scroll (cos it still exists) on Who do you think you are? last year. One up to the wealthy ruling Normans. E.g. 3 Propaganda to prop up the rich and teach the poor that it is all god's will that the rich are rich and the poor are poor. Here is what we used to sing at the Anglican Sunday School in my childhood: The rich man in his castle, The poor man at his gate, GOD made them, high or lowly, And ordered their estate. It comes from All things bright and beautiful, but I note that this verse has now been removed! So maybe your question is wrong C? Maybe it isn't that J has had such a profound effect to this day - he may have just provided the framework that could be used by Church and State to keep things the way they want them, and hence fed the debate between left and right.	John H (8)
1177157	2011-02-13 00:22:00	So by and large, the Christian religion is a fairly kind and community spirited one . *As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob . Pagan priests were killed . *Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain . *Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as "temple destroyer . " [DA468] *Pagan services became punishable by death in 356 . [DA468] *Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues . [DA469] *In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights . *In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on demand of Christian authorities . [DA466] *The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415 . *Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to Christianity, beheaded . [DO30] *Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 1234 near Altenesch/Germany . *Battle of Belgrad 1456 80,000 Turks slaughtered . *15th century Poland 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights of the Order . Victims unknown . *16th and 17th century Ireland . English troops "pacified and civilized" Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle, women, children and every other thing . " One of the more successful soldiers, a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that "the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies . . . and should bee laied on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the grounde" . Crusades (1095-1291) *First Crusade 1095 on command of pope Urban II . *Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain . Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96 thousands . *9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then turkish), thousands respectively . *After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000 slain . 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl . women & children) killed . *Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed . *Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (jewish, muslim, men, women, children) . One million victims of the first crusade alone . *Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099 . 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ" . *Already in 385 C . E . the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany *Manichaean heresy a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C . E . and 444 C . E . Numerous thousands of victims . *Albigensians the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians . Begin of violence on command of pope Innocent III in 1209 . Beziérs (today France) 7/22/1209 destroyed,20,000-70,000 . *Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain . Other cities followed . Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and destroy surviving/hiding heretics . Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324 . *Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada alone allegedly responsible for 10,220 burnings . *John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at the stake in 1415 . *University professor B . Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna . *in the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged . *15th century Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain . *1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all English as slaves of Church *1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands . Thousands were actually slain . *1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius V . *17th century Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany roughly 30,000 Protestants were slain . *17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs . Protestant) at least 40% of population decimated, mostly in Germany . *Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians . Number of Jews slain unknown . Council of Toledo 694 Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated, and their children forcibly baptized . *The Bishop of Limoges (France) in 1010 had the cities' Jews, who would not convert to Christianity, expelled or killed . *First Crusade Thousands of Jews slaughtered 1096, maybe 12 . 000 total . *Second Crusade 1147 . Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully, Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France) . *Third Crusade English Jewish communities sacked 1189/90 . *Fulda/Germany 1235 34 Jewish men and women slain . *1257, 1267 Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton,Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated . *1290 in Bohemian (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed . *1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51towns in Bavaria, Austria, Poland . *1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (twothousand) burned . *1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered . *1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading) . 4,000 were slain, 25,000 sold as slaves . *1648 Chmielnitzki massacres In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain . *Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy Crusader) *Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered in the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who, he said, "ought to be good servants . . . [and] would easily be made Christians, because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion . " *On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the declarations that are required" - the requerimiento - to claim the ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain . Christians of course, e . g . the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as "for the natives, they are near all dead of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we possess . " On July 1, 1976, Anneliese Michel, a 23-year-old student of a teachers college in Germany, died she starved herself to death . For months she In the U . S . , violence directed toward abortion providers has killed 7 people, including 3 doctors, 2 clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort . October 1, 2000: A Catholic priest drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486 . He pulled out an ax before being shot at by a security guard . . . . and so on .	pctek (84)
1177158	2011-02-13 02:57:00	In religious terms, that is pretty mild stuff. They aspire to sending far more souls heavenward with a song on their lips and a fixed silly grin. (Grins and cheery tunes are for the despatchers, not the despatched who are in urgent need of a bit more torment and hellfire yet.) The anointed ones are looking forward to eventually arriving at the holy Gates (Even the holy Apple fanboys have to go there) so they can sit at god's right hand and sing his praises for ever. That "ever" is a big one, no days off, just eternally singing god's praises. One could almost feel relieved at not being a subscriber to that particular lay-away plan. ;)	R2x1 (4628)
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