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| Thread ID: 118508 | 2011-06-08 00:18:00 | Help please. Persistant BSoD's and ht sync flood errors. | LiquidSnowIsH2O (16412) | Press F1 |
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| 1207738 | 2011-06-12 11:05:00 | Bluescreenview says the cause is ZA and the file belonging to the ATI drivers www.nirsoft.net Install it and run it. Look for yourself |
Speedy Gonzales (78) | ||
| 1207739 | 2011-06-12 15:14:00 | Doesn't the fact that I had/have ZoneAlarm running for two full days now without getting any errors dictate that it can't be the cause? However the ATI drivers which are directly linked to the hardware that is being stressed when I OC and start to experience issues are a lot more likely to be the culprit. No? | LiquidSnowIsH2O (16412) | ||
| 1207740 | 2011-06-12 15:29:00 | Failing to update the BIOS properly could result in a bricked system . Not gonna risk it . I can find a way to screw up practically anything . Failing to walk down the stairs properly could result in a broken neck, but you still do that, right? As I said, updating BIOS is very easy . In most motherboards now a flashing utility is even built into the BIOS, and you call it at POST by pressing a key combo like Alt+F2 Then all you need is to select the file from a disk (floppy, CD, USB) and away you go . If you pick the wrong BIOS file etc it will recognize it as incorrect and won't let you use it (Your board has M-Flash system, which has these features) Only thing you can be worried about is tripping over your power lead during the update, or something . But even if that did happen, you can still recover the BIOS usually, and with your board I think it even has an in-circuit programming header for the EEPROM . Doesn't the fact that I had/have ZoneAlarm running for two full days now without getting any errors dictate that it can't be the cause? However the ATI drivers which are directly linked to the hardware that is being stressed when I OC and start to experience issues are a lot more likely to be the culprit . No? No, because ZoneAlarm is a piece of rubbish and is known to cause BSOD problems . ATI video drivers aren't that great either, although should at least be more reliable than ZoneAlarm anyway . The review I read on your PSU says that at full load, ripple is just on specification - and that's brand new . As the PSU ages, the capacitors will degrade . (A big problem in cheap PSUs which use cheap capacitors that fail a lot faster than decent ones) Old capacitors have worse ripple suppression . High ripple = an unstable system, or if worse enough\left long enough, hardware damage . Then again, you said you built it a month ago so that probably isn't the problem (yet) But aside from that, your "HyperTransport Sync Flood" errors are strange . From this thread though: . amd . com/forum/messageview . cfm?catid=22&threadid=88140" target="_blank">forums . amd . com it make sense it was probably related to the overclock but could also be caused by a cheap PSU being pushed to the limits . "1 . To high of an OC without the ample amount of CPU volts . 2 . Plain, not enough CPU Volts at any speed . 3 . Possible Bad power supply . 4 . Motherboard with very high amount of VDroop which ultimately leads back to "Not Enough CPU Volts" . This will reveal itself with a load on the CPU . Maybe not during typical use . Could just be that the motherboard has CPU power providing issues as well (Good power from PSU but motherboard wastes the power before reaching the CPU) . " I would contact MSI about that one . . . |
Agent_24 (57) | ||
| 1207741 | 2011-06-12 18:58:00 | 1) If you honestly believe that I should update my BIOS I will do so in the near future. 2) If ZoneAlarm isn't any good what free firewall do you recommend? 3)Nothing I can do about the ATI drivers now can I? They are already the most recent version and my GPU won't operate properly without them, correct? 4)I'm too poor to get a new PSU never mind a decent one but lesson learnt for my next build. 5)I guess I am unable to reliably OC with my current PSU. 6)Out of the options you have listed #1 is the only one that could apply. 7) Do you think my system is capable of at least handling another two case fans I would dearly like to install? HT sync flood errors have long since ceased after my fresh OS install. |
LiquidSnowIsH2O (16412) | ||
| 1207742 | 2011-06-13 02:10:00 | I don't necessarily believe you should update your BIOS, but it can fix problems. A lot of the time they update RAM compatibility etc and improve stability (and this is especially true for the 1600Mhz RAM which needs to run at OC speeds) - however... AMD don't guarantee anything with 1600Mhz RAM so you may just be unfortunate. BIOS updating it is not as bad as you would think if you do it properly. Just read and follow the instructions carefully. If something doesn't seem to make sense, ask here or the MSI forum first. I have done many BIOS updates and the only failures I had were caused either by flashing software that runs inside Windows (Never use this if possible) or faulty hardware, not user error - and in both cases I was able to recover them manually with an EEPROM programmer. Sometimes the board won't POST after BIOS update (seen that with several Asus boards) and they required a BIOS reset to get them to start. Probably something to do with old settings conflicting with the new BIOS code. As a firewall, ZoneAlarm is OK - however I and other people on this forum have found that it can be quite an unstable program at times and have given up on it. Because of this I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of the problem. At the very least consider removing it from the equation until you are confident it is not the problem. I personally use Comodo, but there are several others. For testing you might prefer to just use Windows Firewall, it's better than nothing. ATi drivers may or may not be the issue but with several other things causing BSOD I would guess it's probably more likely they were all caused by something else (probably unstable system due to overclock or power issue) As for PSU, even if you can't buy a new one you should seriously try to borrow one from someone else for testing. If you can overclock stable on a better PSU that will show what is the problem, but your PSU may not be the problem, you may just have an unfortunate combination of parts that aren't good at overclocking. Only way to find out is to borrow one and test it. See, a decent brand 400 watt PSU would be able to run at full capacity and still keep ripple very low. However as I said before yours almost goes out of specification on full load (www.hardwaresecrets.com) which isn't very good. If it's running at close to maximum capacity and then you try overclocking you may push it over the edge and get much worse ripple. Some PSUs drastically increase with ripple and noise when run just slightly over the rated capacity. But of course without expensive equipment this is hard to prove. The best way is just to swap it out and see if it becomes stable. You can probably run some more fans, try it and see... if it all goes downhill again then you know probably not... :lol: |
Agent_24 (57) | ||
| 1207743 | 2011-06-13 02:19:00 | According to this forums.amd.com That HT Sync Flood error means When not enough volts are being provided to the CPU it will reboot at any time (Especially during heavy to max loads) with either a black screen or verticle lines right before rebooting. While posting you see this messege. "hypertransport sync flood error has occured. Press F1 to resume" So there are a number of Scenarios that may cause this BUT they ALL lead back to the main reason. Not enough power to the CPU at the time that the heavy load produces failure. 1. To high of an OC without the ample amount of CPU volts. 2. Plain, not enough CPU Volts at any speed. 3. Possible Bad power supply. 4. Motherboard with very high amount of VDroop which ultimately leads back to "Not Enough CPU Volts". This will reveal itself with a load on the CPU. Maybe not during typical use. Could just be that the motherboard has CPU power providing issues as well (Good power from PSU but motherboard wastes the power before reaching the CPU). |
Speedy Gonzales (78) | ||
| 1207744 | 2011-06-13 14:28:00 | So it seems to me that all these problems lead back to the PSU. Since it works now, my PSU can power my system and my moderately OC'd GPU. If I were to overclock only 2 components and at that very lightly, which do you think would benefit me more in a gaming scenario, in an everyday scenario, and in a video encoding/editing scenario? Increasing the RAM frequency doesn't change the fact that it is running at 1.5V so it can't cause any problems can it? |
LiquidSnowIsH2O (16412) | ||
| 1207745 | 2011-06-13 22:15:00 | If you want video editing (I dont think this takes a long time) / encoding to be faster, buy a Nvidia card, since some programs take advantage of CUDA / GPU accleration. Which some / or most Nvidia cards support. Check the specs, first, before you buy it ATI cards dont. I may actually buy a Nvidia card, because I do video editing, and I also convert MP4 files (I record with this tuner), to other formats. I converted a 4.13 GB MP4 file (1920x1080) to Xvid, the other day (exit wounds, it was on TV the other day) and it took over 3 hrs. With CUDA, it'll probably take that down to less than an hour. CUDA is meant to speed this up considerably |
Speedy Gonzales (78) | ||
| 1207746 | 2011-06-13 23:16:00 | I think I'd spring for a nice modular power supply before a nvidia card if I had the money. Chances that I'd get a nvidia card are very low anyways since I'm an ATI fanboy. | LiquidSnowIsH2O (16412) | ||
| 1207747 | 2011-06-13 23:27:00 | I think I'd spring for a nice modular power supply before a nvidia card if I had the money. Chances that I'd get a nvidia card are very low anyways since I'm an ATI fanboy. What did we say right at the start? :rolleyes: |
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