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Thread ID: 115906	2011-02-08 22:21:00	More benefit changes	QW. (15883)	PC World Chat

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1176468	2011-02-09 02:06:00	That's the point. If there are no jobs then the only option is the dole. Get rid of the dole then.	prefect (6291)
1176469	2011-02-09 02:21:00	they would be better off concentrating on creating more jobs the govt doesnt actually create REAL jobs The country needs to sell more widgets to create more real jobs	1101 (13337)
1176470	2011-02-09 02:32:00	the govt doesnt actually create REAL jobs The country needs to sell more widgets to create more real jobs Perhaps we could sell widgets if people made them or people will buy them if we made them. Alas we got rid of all the widget factories and get our widgets from elsewhere now.	Snorkbox (15764)
1176471	2011-02-09 02:34:00	The government can manage the economy in such a way that companies can succeed, grow, and employ more staff, which in turn leads to more money being spent and further growth and jobs. Of course, we are a tiny fish mostly at the whim of a big bad sea. As for welfare, Its a disgrace, But it will take a generation or two to fix it, The lifestyle option is firmly entrenched within some parts of the population and the commies can always apeal to this sector to get them back in power, simply promiose more welfare. The big one for me is people having kids and getting pay rises for each one, As far as I'm concerned if the mother has zero prospects, has never contributed to0 society and her only option is to be paid for spreading her legs, then take the kid off her. Likewise if they have more children, Don't give them more money, take the child, Lay the smackdownm on the "mum". Nothing much will change.	Metla (12)
1176472	2011-02-09 02:54:00	If you plan it out .. there are jobs available. I known IT students who just went to technical schools, with a right mindset, got a great reference from school and from a employer where they did job experience they got a IT not too long following completion, at occasions they were given given a job by the work experience company. Some have worked as chefs, or carpenters or even just as a intern or a builder. So not a geek. But in the dole context, what do you expect ... People who might of had v minimal training and been on the dole for some time already and has no plans to do something different to better their chances. I mean if you been on the dole for 1+ years and did no training etc .., you would't be on top of the employer's list even if there is a job available. I believe even those who has relatively low training if they are proactive, those are the types who get on the dole and get off it. The ones you have that stay on are the ones who wants to repeat the same unsuccessful recipe and or has been discouraged.	Nomad (952)
1176473	2011-02-09 03:21:00	Get rid of the dole then. Good suggestion! Provided we have a capable leader (hasn't born yet?) who is able create more jobs, not just for his/her own personal wealth. I have totally lost hope with the present bunch of politicians!:D	bk T (215)
1176474	2011-02-09 04:05:00	www.voxy.co.nz	Snorkbox (15764)
1176475	2011-02-09 04:09:00	Typical politician! Don't expect a multi-millionaire to created jobs for the (poor) people, he of course knows how to create more money for himself not for others! I thought that National only gave a stuff about the business people and to hell with the rest of us. All well and good for Key to give tax cuts to the high earners in the country but where does that leave those that are struggling to put food on the table and putt a roof over their head.	QW. (15883)
1176476	2011-02-09 05:06:00	No government can "create" jobs - they can't just pass a law saying that there will be 10000 more jobs* tomorrow. Even if they magically create a lot of new positions in the public sector, it's just a money-go-round - you're taking more money from the taxpayer to fund positions which aren't needed. I'd love to hear what bright ideas Goff and the unions have for creating jobs - one union leader recently suggested that raising the minimum wage to $15/hr would somehow magically create more jobs. All any government can do is create an environment where businesses want to employ more staff. That means encouraging entrepreneurs to stay in the country. It means not taxing the hell out of companies so they have an incentive to move to overseas workforces. It means not creating so many compliance costs that make it more effort than it's worth to grow a business and hire more staff. The 90-day trial period has already helped open up some job opportunities, as employers aren't scared of being stuck with a bad employee, if they end up hiring someone who isn't up to scratch. Likewise, you can't make living on the dole a lifestyle choice. It should be a last resort, it should be for people who suffer from disabilities which prevent them from being able to work. At the moment people can make more money per week by staying at home and breeding, than they can out of a job - and there are generations of families who have done exactly that. There's no incentive to go out and get a job if you're better off sitting at home doing nothing. * jobs = sustainable jobs which last, not ones which pay people to sit around twiddling their thumbs and only last as long as the govt funding lasts.	somebody (208)
1176477	2011-02-09 05:38:00	Even if they created 10,000 jobs in the public sector, those who have been on the dole for sometime still face a challenge. Jobs will be advertised and they will pick the best candidates. You may have people who are grads, people who came out of high school, or worked in retail, some people who have worked in other low end jobs - BK or other call centre or in a supermarket or as a waiter/waitress or a mail sorter. But if you been on the dole for some time ... it's not a good look to the recruiter is it.... You cannot just say 10,000 new jobs and only for the jobless people to apply. The best they can do is in my experience, as a grad out of uni and into the dole, WINZ would supply some suitable candidates to a recruitment company and they will assess suitability - so as a result my first job was at a govt call centre. Some of them re-applied for permanent roles when their contract ended, a few are still working there in the same job after ~6yrs but now might be a supervisor or a quality auditer, some have taken other call centre roles at a bank or got completely diff jobs altogether. Some govt call centres do need a lot of staff seasonally so they may have many sessions of uptake of staff, ie., 300 is not unheard of. Should the recruiter struggle for no.'s, what they might do is take whatever candiates they get should they meet the "required" competence. But then again I saw at least one who was dismissed over a period of time when they tried to work with them but they still failed due to performance.	Nomad (952)
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