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Thread ID: 116018	2011-02-13 23:04:00	Cyclists won't like this	--Wolf-- (128)	PC World Chat

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1178013	2011-02-16 06:33:00	To be fair to the driver, she did identify her target unlike the shooter That actually makes it worse for her. She could see vulnerable (compared to other vehicles) cyclists on the road and due to lack of experience lost control resulting in 3 deaths. The shooter, assumed he was shooting at a deer, he intended to kill a deer but as we know he made a huge mistake resulting in 1 death.	sam m (517)
1178014	2011-02-16 06:41:00	The following pics are of the crash scene. www.imagef1.net.nz www.imagef1.net.nz It's almost straight bit of road. Must have been a bee sting that caused her to crash onto the other side of the road and kill those cyclists.	manicminer (4219)
1178015	2011-02-16 06:54:00	The sooner we get it into our societies brains that everyday drivers are in control of a 'weapon' that can kill others and not a safety pod for the driver the better it will be everyone. Rubbish A weapon is a tool used with the aim of causing damage or harm	Gobe1 (6290)
1178016	2011-02-16 07:01:00	Rubbish A weapon is a tool used with the aim of causing damage or harm I retyped my response 10 times, decided just to emoticon instead :groan:	sam m (517)
1178017	2011-02-16 07:05:00	Let's make it simple for you: Shooter - did not ID target, therefore not controlling his bullet Driver - did not attend to her responsibility as a driver, therefore losing control of her vehicle The sooner we get it into our societies brains that everyday drivers are in control of a 'weapon' that can kill others and not a safety pod for the driver the better it will be everyone. I cant agree here, because none of us have the information...	SolMiester (139)
1178018	2011-02-16 07:11:00	The following pics are of the crash scene. www.imagef1.net.nz www.imagef1.net.nz It's almost straight bit of road. Must have been a bee sting that caused her to crash onto the other side of the road and kill those cyclists. Just above that Black circle in the first pic is a hill that descends for nearly 2km If you started off with a manual transmission car and free-wheeled ,it would reach 140kph at that spot at the bottom. I know a bit about that tragedy and there is going to be no winners there	Lawrence (2987)
1178019	2011-02-16 07:13:00	I know a bit about that tragedy and there is going to be no winners there So what happened then?	manicminer (4219)
1178020	2011-02-16 07:13:00	I retyped my response 10 times, decided just to emoticon instead :groan: Why? There are times when a vehicle is used as a "weapon", but this was not one of them I will agree vehicles can be dangerous.	Gobe1 (6290)
1178021	2011-02-16 07:26:00	I cant agree here, because none of us have the information . . . So how did she lose control? Irrespective of the reason, she lost control . If she sneezed, a bee stung her, a dog ran across the road, there was diesel spilt on the road, sun strike, another car swerved in front of her, she had an epileptic fit, she blacked out, a foreign object was in her eye, the children in the back distracted her . . . . . surely would have been raised by now . I don't believe her argument that it was inexperience, I think inexperienced prevented her taking control of her vehicle AFTER she lost control, but the cause of why she lost control is still not clear . Her reason for losing control will be known only to her, I accept that, but my comment stands that she did not take reasonable care to ensure she maintained control, if she had a logical reason, something that would minimise her fault then wouldn't she say so - I don't see her as a martyr	sam m (517)
1178022	2011-02-16 07:36:00	Why? There are times when a vehicle is used as a "weapon", but this was not one of them I will agree vehicles can be dangerous . Ok - I will try to explain this as best I can . You are right about your definition of a weapon, no argument there . I agree that a vehicle is not a weapon . I never said she used her vehicle as a weapon . BUT the point I am trying to express is that if we all treated vehicles like a weapon, would go some ways to preventing the needless deaths we see on the road daily . Vehicles are designed with safety in mind for the occupants, with seatbelts, airbags, ABS braking, side intrusion bars etc but all drivers need to be mindful of the others that share the road that a strike by a vehicle at ANY speed can kill (toddler driveway deaths) .	sam m (517)
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