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Thread ID: 116031	2011-02-14 05:36:00	Name the judge and sack him	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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1178202	2011-02-15 08:14:00	OK, calm down peoples. There is no need to take swipes at each other instead of debating the topic. Be nice please.	Jen (38)
1178203	2011-02-15 09:45:00	I was commenting on the prison guards statements made to the Sunday News - the matter of the bail hadn't yet happened yet at that time (that was in the future). I have not seen a report on the case relating to why he was given bail, but it isn't relevant to the comments in the Sunday News. For why parole boards see offenders before they are automatically released see Criminal Justice Acts 1985 to 1999 found here. (legislation.knowledge-basket.co.nz) As for bail. in some circumstances legally the bail is of right see here (www.legislation.govt.nz) Reading through the sections following giving conditions where someone can not be released, particularly note Section 10 (www.legislation.govt.nz). So presumably the Judge who bailed him would not have complied with Section 10 if the events actually happened the way the media reports. So I don't know if the Judge had the power to hold him, someone who knows the case may be able to answer that. I doubt anyone wants this guy in the community though, but if the series of events that led to this was not to be repeated, it would likely need a change in the law and that isn't the job (www.parliament.nz) of the Judicary or the Parole Board. Oh and I don't feel antagonised one bit.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1178204	2011-02-15 10:21:00	I have not seen a report on the case relating to why he was given bail, but it isn't relevant to the comments in the Sunday News. It's bloody relevant to the poor girls mother though and that is the whole point of the matter. You can harp on about the parole board all you want. Why don't you go back and have a look at the original post #1	mikebartnz (21)
1178205	2011-02-15 10:47:00	So much petty bureaucracies tangled up in a vain and misguided effort to make things fair when in reality there is no fairness to the victims involved. The only fair thing for these criminals is a bullet in the head, nothing less.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
1178206	2011-02-15 11:40:00	I doubt several people contributing to this thread could name the three branches of Governemnt in New Zealand, they certainly show no understanding of how our system of Government works. We see criticism of "the system"" from people who haven't even bothered to find out what it is they are criticising. So I was commenting on the Parole Board and the original sentence, the Sunday News effectively mixed the whole lot up and got it wrong. And yes I do know why the Parole Board sees people who are to be released at the end of their sentence, unlike many here I have actually sat in on a Parole Board hearing. The point was from the beginning that the Parole Board and the Judicary don't make the law, and have less discretion under the law than many here presume. If you mean by the three branches of Government these then I, for one, do know that it's Legislative, Executive and Judicial. However, you just, as usual, throw in another red herring as collectively it's STILL the Government. Noted that you failed to reply to my post #31.	Snorkbox (15764)
1178207	2011-02-15 17:46:00	Any reasonable person in NZ would be outraged the judge let this crook out.	prefect (6291)
1178208	2011-02-15 18:41:00	If you mean by the three branches of Government these then I, for one, do know that it's Legislative, Executive and Judicial. However, you just, as usual, throw in another red herring as collectively it's STILL the Government. Noted that you failed to reply to my post #31. Ok so you don't like New Zealand's system of Government, you're presumably have netter system in mind. I don't see anything about post 31 to reply to, it wasn't conected to the comments made by the prison officers and related to events that hadn't happened at the time of the Sunday News story. So back to post number 1, the Parole Board had no option under law but to release him. There must be doubt about the facts presented by the media on the bail situation if you read the bail act, but if the Judge did release him in the circumstances outlined he would appear to have breached the law under Section 10 of the bail act. Chances are given no one has linked to the comments from that Judge, that the facts as reported are wrong. So I would amend Prefects statement to "Any resonable person in New Zealand would be outraged this crook was out on the street". How he got there is to do with the law, and that's for politicians to change.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1178209	2011-02-15 19:00:00	Make that better system in mind	Twelvevolts (5457)
1178210	2011-02-15 21:44:00	So back to post number 1, the Parole Board had no option under law but to release him. You seem to have trouble reading as post #1 mentions bail but not parole. You are starting to sound like a typical lawyer.	mikebartnz (21)
1178211	2011-02-16 06:49:00	You seem to have trouble reading as post #1 mentions bail but not parole. You are starting to sound like a typical lawyer. You seem to have trouble reading posts 2 - 49.	Twelvevolts (5457)
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