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Thread ID: 116018	2011-02-13 23:04:00	Cyclists won't like this	--Wolf-- (128)	PC World Chat

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1177953	2011-02-14 19:39:00	I don't want this careless idiot on the road when I'm driving, EVER. One day you might be that careless idiot.	wmoore (6009)
1177954	2011-02-14 20:15:00	I would say that this young girl will never drive again. She has a life time sentence of what she has done she will most probably think about it most days. I know of two people who have had motor vehicle accidents and never drove again. One was an uncle of mine who in the 1930s or 40s had an accident riding a motor bike with a sidecar on and in that sidecar was his brother who got killed. The cause of the accident was that he skidded on lose shingle and lost control. I haven't seen the full report of this accident but they say she was not speeding but just lost control of the car. Maybe mechanical failure of some sort. :)	Trev (427)
1177955	2011-02-14 21:06:00	Isn't it illegal to ride a bike in a 100k zone? There is the problem if you ask me.....There will always be car crashes on the motorway, however car have a little protection, bikes have none and shouldn't IMO be on a roadway built for motor vehicle that travel at high speed....Farking quite logical if you ask me... Perhaps these cyclists would like to pave their own lane along the motorway?	SolMiester (139)
1177956	2011-02-14 21:15:00	There is the problem if you ask me.....There will always be car crashes on the motorway, however car have a little protection, bikes have none and shouldn't IMO be on a roadway built for motor vehicle that travel at high speed....Farking quite logical if you ask me... Perhaps these cyclists would like to pave their own lane along the motorway? What's the motorway got to do with this particular incident, Sol? There isn't any move to allow cycles on motorways that I am aware of (nor should there be, IMO)... The cyclists that this woman killed were legally on a public country road, and on their side of it, early morning in good weather. Your argument could be applied to motorcycles too (as regards lack of protection - and I would add, low-visibility), but there doesn't seem to be a call be them to be banned from the public roads that we all pay for....	johcar (6283)
1177957	2011-02-14 21:17:00	I haven't seen the full report of this accident but they say she was not speeding but just lost control of the car. Maybe mechanical failure of some sort. :) No mechanical failure, just gross incompetence resulting in multiple deaths. Which is why the standard must be raised. People need real training. Standards need to be monitored. There must be real world recuperations for actions, Manslaughter charges and 20 years of jail should send the right message.	Metla (12)
1177958	2011-02-14 21:21:00	There is the problem if you ask me.....There will always be car crashes on the motorway, however car have a little protection, bikes have none and shouldn't IMO be on a roadway built for motor vehicle that travel at high speed....Farking quite logical if you ask me... Perhaps these cyclists would like to pave their own lane along the motorway? The logical thing to do is to ban cars, everyone can ride bikes, the road toll will plummet to next to nothing.	Metla (12)
1177959	2011-02-14 21:26:00	One day you might be that careless idiot. I doubt it. I've had professional driving instruction (unlike most people in this country) and have passed the Advanced Driving Test (IAM UK). I take the responsibility of driving VERY seriously. Unfortunately, this stupid girl didn't. The only sympathy I have for her is the fact she probably didn't get the benefit of proper tuition. In that sense, she is a victim of the 'system' we have here that allows incompetent drivers to get behind the wheel.	legod (4626)
1177960	2011-02-14 21:32:00	and you are such a good driver that you have never made a mistake and been lucky. Absolutely. See my previous comment. You can't afford to make mistakes on the road. One mistake and it's all over. If people learned to drive properly and improved their attitude towards driving, they wouldn't be making mistakes and there wouldn't be people getting killed on the road. It's not exactly rocket science, and yet year after year, we get the same old dreadful roadtoll and keep reading about the same old accidents happening over and over again. Every other day I'm on the road, I see the same old incompetent and often selfish idiots.	legod (4626)
1177961	2011-02-14 21:32:00	I disagree just because you arent fully trained ie competent does not give you an excuse to do some something stupid like speed and lose control	prefect (6291)
1177962	2011-02-14 21:35:00	What's the motorway got to do with this particular incident, Sol? There isn't any move to allow cycles on motorways that I am aware of (nor should there be, IMO)... The cyclists that this woman killed were legally on a public country road, and on their side of it, early morning in good weather. Your argument could be applied to motorcycles too (as regards lack of protection - and I would add, low-visibility), but there doesn't seem to be a call be them to be banned from the public roads that we all pay for.... There is, or was, a move to allow cyclists to use the Auckland Harbour Bridge as I remember it though was there not? Cyclists do not pay for the roads and neither do they have to undergo a test as to their ability. You have said before that cyclists also own cars and therefore do pay. I say that not all cyclists own cars and therefore those that do not own cars do not pay. Those that do own cars maybe should use them instead of a cycle perhaps for their own protection. Motor cyclists do, in fact, contribute to ACC and the upkeep of roads by way of taxes on fuel. In no way do I condone the sentence passed to the woman in the case mentioned by the way.	Snorkbox (15764)
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