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Thread ID: 116031	2011-02-14 05:36:00	Name the judge and sack him	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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1178172	2011-02-14 07:56:00	Judges are rarely liberal, they are generally very conservative in fact. This means they generally follow the law, which you seem to have no comprehension of. And yes sometimes they have discretion, and probably 99.9% of the time they get it right. No one is infallible, and of course the only cases that ever get in the media are when they do get it wrong. Anyone can find out who a Judge is for a case and the Parole Board actually publishes the outcome of high profile cases here (www.paroleboard.govt.nz)including who sat on the board for the case. So you don't have to be a very bright journo to find that although apparently not very bright members of the public do have difficulty locating it. So off you go Mr Courageous - name and shame away. Mr Courageous should. Death sentence should be reinstated.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
1178173	2011-02-14 08:40:00	Court Of Appeal Decision for the 2001 case is here (jdo.justice.govt.nz) as item number 48 in pdf format. Funny how the journalist doesn't reference the original case going to the Court of Appeal, so in fact the Judges sentencing was in fact upheld by the higher Court on legal grounds so the prospect of preventative detention went to what was then the highest Court in New Zealand. The Prison officers are talking crap therefore in that regard as if the sentencing by the original Judge was flawed legally or corrupt, it would have been overturned in the Court of Appeal. As for the release, it looks like the Parole Board would have had no choice but to release him as his sentence was completed. We don't have a law here that says you can keep people in jail just because you think they might offend. So if you conclude the law was wrong, why point the finger at the Judge or Parole Board who were clearly following the law as it stood.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1178174	2011-02-14 09:09:00	It was Justice Graham Panckhurst who gave the Court of Appeal decision upholding the sentence the Prison Officers object to. I note he has just been appointed the head of the Royal Commission into the Pike River Disaster.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1178175	2011-02-14 12:07:00	I think its the fact that the people involved in the 'rehab' process say this guy has actually gotten worse and their concern was ignored, makes it bad. maybe they need even more laws in this area.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
1178176	2011-02-14 18:05:00	Judges are rarely liberal, they are generally very conservative in fact. This means they generally follow the law, which you seem to have no comprehension of. And yes sometimes they have discretion, and probably 99.9% of the time they get it right. No one is infallible, and of course the only cases that ever get in the media are when they do get it wrong. Anyone can find out who a Judge is for a case and the Parole Board actually publishes the outcome of high profile cases here (www.paroleboard.govt.nz)including who sat on the board for the case. So you don't have to be a very bright journo to find that although apparently not very bright members of the public do have difficulty locating it. So off you go Mr Courageous - name and shame away. Yeeee gods, we’ve got our very own bleeding heart do-gooder. :rolleyes: You should volunteer to let them stay at your place for personal retraining. :clap Also, I realise the information is available as to who the useless Judge was and who the useless Parole Board were, but the Media should make sure they are named along with Villain. It wouldn’t surprise me one little bit if a common denominator was revealed. ;)	B.M. (505)
1178177	2011-02-14 18:14:00	I think its the fact that the people involved in the 'rehab' process say this guy has actually gotten worse and their concern was ignored, makes it bad. maybe they need even more laws in this area. Perhaps a few years ago they could have held him in a mental hospital but not anymore, so there was no legal way to hold a guy who had finished his sentence, I understand from what was just on the radio that is what Phil Goff said that as Minister at the time. I don't think that equates to being ignored, you shouldn't be able to lock people up just because a prison officer says so. Perhaps however there should be a way to hold people for assessment but that likely means we'll return to a Lake Alice type mental hospitals.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1178178	2011-02-14 18:27:00	Yeeee gods, we’ve got our very own bleeding heart do-gooder. :rolleyes: You should volunteer to let them stay at your place for personal retraining. :clap Also, I realise the information is available as to who the useless Judge was and who the useless Parole Board were, but the Media should make sure they are named along with Villain. It wouldn’t surprise me one little bit if a common denominator was revealed. ;) You're an idiot, you clearly didn't realise the information was available and now you're basically showing you're a gutless bag of wind as well. You clearly don't understand the law, that the Parole Board had no legal choice but to let him out and all you've got really is the ability to call anyone who explains it to you a liberal to mask your lack of a brain.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1178179	2011-02-14 18:30:00	Perhaps we should contract out the management of our repeat offenders to mainland China, They do not appear to have a large recidivist problem.	CliveM (6007)
1178180	2011-02-14 18:36:00	I saw the Close UP story on him last night. My OP was more about the judge that granted him bail just before he killed that poor woman and attacked another one. And Twelvevolts Surely a good journo could make a name for themselves by publishing the names of the judges and the parole boards. That would save thousands of people looking for the info. And more importantly it would make judges and parole board members realize that they had better be more cautious.	Digby (677)
1178181	2011-02-14 18:42:00	You're an idiot, you clearly didn't realise the information was available and now you're basically showing you're a gutless bag of wind as well . You clearly don't understand the law, that the Parole Board had no legal choice but to let him out and all you've got really is the ability to call anyone who explains it to you a liberal to mask your lack of a brain . There is no need to be rude even if, or especially when, one is correct . The point Twelvevolts is making is that the problem actually belongs with the government of the day not the judicial system . We should get what we vote for . Unfortunately democracy is not perfect even if it does beat any other system in a so called advanced society . Also we have to pay to keep people locked up forever . We cannot afford that .	CliveM (6007)
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