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Thread ID: 116151	2011-02-18 23:49:00	When TAB-A Doesn't Fit Into SLOT-A	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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1179773	2011-02-18 23:49:00	787 Dreamliner Teaches Boeing Costly Lesson (www.latimes.com) Outsourcing? Think it over very carefully! :eek:	SurferJoe46 (51)
1179774	2011-02-19 00:39:00	Very interesting.	mikebartnz (21)
1179775	2011-02-19 01:19:00	A big problem is the yanks are still using the ancient English/ Roman systems of measurements. The rest of the world uses the French metric systems 24.5 mm might be one inch but there is always a tolerance and the conversion factors can put the parts out of tolerance. The europeans can make their aircraft from bits from the germans, french, pom, italian spanish, holland even a splattering of east european countries and the planes go together ok. All dealing in mm, kg and bars. The Hungarians for example must scratch their heads when they see a drawing with 1 3/64" of a inch for a widget. Same with ships you could splice in german section of a meko ship into an aussie built one and it will fit.	prefect (6291)
1179776	2011-02-19 02:34:00	All aerospace and NASA specs are in Metric in the US. Unless were are talking about the weight of the passengers - then we refuse to use tonnes or tounnes, long or short - whatever that is.	SurferJoe46 (51)
1179777	2011-02-19 03:14:00	I would suggest that one the most pertinent reasons for the problems is the apparent downturn or reduction in QA and auditing procedures that seems to have occurred in many countries that were affected by Regonomics/Rogernomics right wing market forces/cost cutting reforms. Boeing seem to be admitting they didn't do their oversight job properly. QA does not come cheaply neither is it amenable to Rogernomics policies. On a slightly different tack, back in the 1980s when "offset" production was all the rage, ie goods manufactured in NZ as a cost offset to imported items like planes and defence items; Safe Air manufactured parachute containers for British Aerospace to drawings supplied by BA. I was QA liason between BA and SafeAir. Initially although these containers were perfect dimensionally to drawing and to sample container supplied, they kept getting rejected. Eventually BA supplied an assembly/dimensional check jig known to produce good containers. SafeAir containers were still rejected. At long last it was found out that BA employed an "old boy" fitter who panel beated every container to fit the plane. He didn't tell anyone that he did this, and the drawings had never been modified.	Terry Porritt (14)
1179778	2011-02-19 03:33:00	Note to travel agent: Flag Boeing 787 dreamliner. No seats for your client on this "bitsa". Lurking.	Lurking (218)
1179779	2011-02-19 04:30:00	I would suggest that one the most pertinent reasons for the problems is the apparent downturn or reduction in QA and auditing procedures that seems to have occurred in many countries that were affected by Regonomics/Rogernomics right wing market forces/cost cutting reforms. Boeing seem to be admitting they didn't do their oversight job properly. QA does not come cheaply neither is it amenable to Rogernomics policies. On a slightly different tack, back in the 1980s when "offset" production was all the rage, ie goods manufactured in NZ as a cost offset to imported items like planes and defence items; Safe Air manufactured parachute containers for British Aerospace to drawings supplied by BA. I was QA liason between BA and SafeAir. Initially although these containers were perfect dimensionally to drawing and to sample container supplied, they kept getting rejected. Eventually BA supplied an assembly/dimensional check jig known to produce good containers. SafeAir containers were still rejected. At long last it was found out that BA employed an "old boy" fitter who panel beated every container to fit the plane. He didn't tell anyone that he did this, and the drawings had never been modified. Perot was psychic in the ramifications of what was going to happen with 1) NAFTA and then 2) Globalization in his prophecy. The Boeing debacle is just one facet of international do-gooders and 'One Village' mentality interfering with normal attrition rates and desires to make everyone equally miserable. My old high school buddy and his wife were both employed by McDonald-Douglas and then when that company didn't play political football well enough, it got swallowed up by Boeing, and it all went to hell in a handbasket and many golden parachutes were offered then taken away before all but the upper-crusters could exercise the option. Imagine working for a company with great benefits since 1965 until 2010 and then finding out that the 401K and Keogh retirement monies are gone - lost somewhere in the transfer of power in the front accounting offices. That happened to over 100,000 employees who got a handshake, a kick in the rear and a cynical smile from the company. I digress - Boeing was arm-twisted (not too much force was actually needed) to globalize their outsourcing away from US one-job shops and help our 'poor yellow and black brothers' in foreign lands. (Rhetoric - not mine) Boeing was NOT ALLOWED to second guess, proctor or in any way interfere with the workshops and 'technical' manufacturers nor could they first-article inspect nor fail any products as it might crush the spirit of those who need to be accelerated into the 21st Century, if not gotten out of the 6th Century lifestyle. Ergo - complete failure by machine shops that used wooden rulers and wet string for calipers to manufacture and inspect before shipping a 'finished product'. Needless to say - look at the dismal problems with the original Russian space station dock, when the Russians had the blue prints and the specs and missed the dimensions by multiple sillymeters, if not googlemeters. Funny - the French parts all fit well - very well - so are there different universal metrics or are some countries not Sanforizing their yardsticks? It's (or WAS) Reaganomics and supply-side economics - which was working until the apologists got into power. Doesn't matter though - the US is gearing up for a huge civil revolt and possibly a junta - mark my words. I suspect a mass Neo-Nazi/Paramilitary/Medusa headed rally and the pushing-shoving is primed to start when the warmer weather returns to the Northern Hemisphere. Actually - I suspect war - internal war in the US. Sell your US dollars as they will take wheelbarrow full for a loaf of bread soon. Beware the warm winds of rancor.	SurferJoe46 (51)
1179780	2011-02-19 09:39:00	I think the far right has left it its run too late. There are just too many african americans and hispanics in USA and they could foil any revolt by the conservatives.	prefect (6291)
1179781	2011-02-19 10:00:00	On metric aeroplanes (or aircraft), it is pretty irrelevant whether things fit or not, they won't work for long either way. Who cares, it's only an Airbus, or other Eurotrash. As long as they don't fly over me I don't really care. They've earned the right to use Lucas and deserve it.	R2x1 (4628)
1179782	2011-02-19 10:12:00	All aerospace and NASA specs are in Metric in the US . Unless were are talking about the weight of the passengers - then we refuse to use tonnes or tounnes, long or short - whatever that is . Are you sure the aviation industry ( dont know about NASA I am not a rocket scientist )in the usa has gone metric? only thing I have noticed is some engine temperature gauges are in Centigrade . Got some pretty new drawings (2007) here for a helicopter rebuild and they are all imperial as the queen .	prefect (6291)
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