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Thread ID: 116360	2011-02-28 18:57:00	Ken Ring on Campbell Live last night	Colpol (444)	PC World Chat

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1182317	2011-03-04 23:11:00	Well I also have an open mind on Ken Rings theories. Some people on here seem to have no understanding of the effect of that the relationship between the Moon and the Sun has on this earth. That relationship is evidenced in most houses by the Calendar on your wall. ;) However, from a more physical stance, one only has to look at how the relationship between the Sun and the Moon can produce enough force to lift the sea 16 metres in the Bay of Fundy. All our tides are predicted by the relationship of the Sun and Moon and if you consider the power required to lift such volumes of water, you don’t have to expand your thinking much to see that these forces may be capable of shifting masses of land where a point of balance is a factor. Of course some of our forefathers also claimed that the Moon had effects on humans as well, hence the Lunatics, another theory I don’t expel out of hand. ;)	B.M. (505)
1182318	2011-03-04 23:30:00	This is no surprise to me that you believe the moon makes earthquakes.	prefect (6291)
1182319	2011-03-05 00:01:00	This is no surprise to me that you believe the moon makes earthquakes. I see your comprehension is in keeping with a Ford Prefect. :groan: Where did I say the Moon makes earthquakes?	B.M. (505)
1182320	2011-03-05 00:18:00	5th paragraph	--Wolf-- (128)
1182321	2011-03-05 00:31:00	I don't think B.M. is saying that in itself the force of the moon is causing earthquakes, he is saying that it could become the tipping point in a balance where the end result is an earthquake. Consider that the moon is responsible for billions of tonnes of water in and out of the Waitemata and Manukau Harbours twice a day. If this is a known fact (which it is), then it follows the moon also exerts its pull on the earth. Which it does. The surface of the earth moves about 6 inches vertically as the moon passes overhead then subsides again. While this influence may not be capable of influencing the movement of a tectonic plate, it certainly may influence minor movements in the earth's crust. Let's keep an open mind before reverting to the dim dark ages where the earth was flat and witches were burnt at the stake.	WalOne (4202)
1182322	2011-03-05 00:33:00	Well I also have an open mind on Ken Rings theories. Some people on here seem to have no understanding of the effect of that the relationship between the Moon and the Sun has on this earth. That relationship is evidenced in most houses by the Calendar on your wall. ;) However, from a more physical stance, one only has to look at how the relationship between the Sun and the Moon can produce enough force to lift the sea 16 metres in the Bay of Fundy. All our tides are predicted by the relationship of the Sun and Moon and if you consider the power required to lift such volumes of water, you don’t have to expand your thinking much to see that these forces may be capable of shifting masses of land where a point of balance is a factor. Of course some of our forefathers also claimed that the Moon had effects on humans as well, hence the Lunatics, another theory I don’t expel out of hand. ;) Gravitional effects based on the moons (relative) proximity to Earth can trigger minor Earthquakes according to the scientist on the same show as Ken Ring. So sounds like Ken Ring is taking a punt that gravity will trigger an earthquake on 20th March, giving himself four days either side for good measure (based on his claim on the programme to having been correct when previously four days out on a prediction). Question is really what would falsify the theory for Ken Ring. An Earthquake in that eight day window will seemingly prove the theory for him, and if there is no Earthquake (unlikely as that is) then it will be explained away as a lucky escape or miscalulation. That's how it goes with Subjective Validation - you can never be wrong. So as the scientist said on the show, despite years of investigation no correlation has been found between big quakes and tidal forces. Surely if the theory was correct you would see a very strong correlation.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1182323	2011-03-05 00:37:00	Well I also have an open mind on Ken Rings theories. Of course some of our forefathers also claimed that the Moon had effects on humans as well, hence the Lunatics, another theory I don’t expel out of hand. ;) I was talking to one of the bouncers at the pub I go to and he said they always expect more trouble during a full moon. As I have said before scientists are accepting the fact that the earth tide does have an affect on volcanoes.	mikebartnz (21)
1182324	2011-03-05 00:40:00	I believe that John Campbell was a bit overbearing in his interview technique. Ken Ring countered him very well while trying to have his say. John Campbell has issued an apology to Ken Ring and invited him back for a fairer hearing. Forecasts or predictions are what is expected to happen using known facts whether scientific or not. Too little is known about the core and mantles within our earth for scientists or others to accurately predict earthquakes. When we see tomorrows weather forecast on TV it can be wrong because it is only a forecast after all. Weather can be changeable because so many things affect our weather patterns. Local knowledge combined with professional weather forecasts is useful for instant to a farmer bringing in his hay. The farmer might look at the sky and see rainclouds looming on the horizon - this is using local knowledge. I believe that the moon does have some effect on the earth. It is known that the moon affects our tides. Who knows what other effects it has. Who knows maybe in years to come Ken Ring might be found to be right. A lot of scientific advances have been made because of unbelievable suggestions. After all we do know the earth is not flat and it spins around the sun. I remain sceptical of Ken Ring's predictions.	Bobh (5192)
1182325	2011-03-05 00:42:00	Surely if the theory was correct you would see a very strong correlation. Not necessarily as it will also depends on what forces are occurring within the earths crust.	mikebartnz (21)
1182326	2011-03-05 00:50:00	Not necessarily as it will also depends on what forces are occurring within the earths crust. So therefore isn't useful in making predictions about Earthquakes.	Twelvevolts (5457)
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