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Thread ID: 116349	2011-02-28 04:50:00	Maori Earthquake	Snorkbox (15764)	PC World Chat

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1182090	2011-02-28 21:14:00	The only thing I find insulting about the word is that it is being used to define us, There is no such people, and the revisionists are simply hijacking the word to elevate maori away from the rest of the population. I don't recorgnise that maori have the position to define who I am. Also, its not about hatred, Its about New Zealenders getting worried about the resentment being installed into the population, This is propagated by sepratist policy and pandering to the belief that maori shouldn't have to follow the riues of society, it leads to the rejection of our society and as we have seen a separate system based on race. Bad juju. As for our kids, I install no attitude towards maori with my sons, its not an issue, we don't believe in racisim in our household, Race doesn't get a mention.	Metla (12)
1182091	2011-02-28 21:28:00	It is not, and it doesn't. IFIAK, it was always a derogatory term. I prefer the English word thank you NZ European!	SolMiester (139)
1182092	2011-02-28 21:28:00	The only thing I find insulting about the word is that it is being used to define us, There is no such people, and the revisionists are simply hijacking the word to elevate maori away from the rest of the population. I don't recorgnise that maori have the position to define who I am. Also, its not about hatred, Its about New Zealenders getting worried about the resentment being installed into the population, This is propagated by sepratist policy and pandering to the belief that maori shouldn't have to follow the riues of society, it leads to the rejection of our society and as we have seen a separate system based on race. Bad juju. As for our kids, I install no attitude towards maori with my sons, its not an issue, we don't believe in racisim in our household, Race doesn't get a mention. Dude, you are on a roll!	SolMiester (139)
1182093	2011-02-28 21:34:00	Have a look here. OK, the first is by a student and the second is Wikipedia, but the student one is interesting because of the research she has done, and the information in Wikipedia is backed up by other sources (it was probably plagiarised from other sites). www.maorinews.com en.wikipedia.org Of course any word can be said with hate or derision, and I suppose some Māori have been known to spit the word Pākehā at people like prefect, possibly for good reason. Similarly people can say Māori with venom or a curl of the lip or add an adjective like bastard. In English, there are umpteen ways to say 'bastard' when referring to someone - often with respect, mateship, brotherhood, even veneration. And with the right inflexion and context it can mean just the opposite. Doesn't mean to say it means "white pig" or anything else like "illegitimate son of a *****". We were the first arrivals here after Māori, and they gave themselves and us names to distinguish us from each other - Māori just means 'ordinary', and if you like you could consider that Pākehā means 'extraordinary' if that suits you - that at least would be positive instead of cringing at the word. All over the Pacific, later people got descriptive names in the local language (e.g. palagi, popa'a). Perfectly normal for the local language to define the different groups of people. We call people from Poland 'Poles' - that is probably not what they call themselves in their own language, but we have the right to create words in our own language to describe others who have arrived amongst us. Māori is an official language in this country, so I am more than happy to use the Māori word for me rather than words like Caucasian (which is a completely discredited race concept like Aryan) or NZ European. I am NOT European - my family may have come from there in the 1850s and 1860s, but Europe no longer has anything to do with me. Hey, try to move back there and you will get short shrift. The bastards kicked us out a few years ago - they won't even give my kids a passport, even though their mother is English born. Why for goodness' sake would I identify with that bunch of pricks? I prefer to identify with the place where my family have put down roots.	John H (8)
1182094	2011-02-28 21:35:00	IFIAK, it was always a derogatory term. I prefer the English word thank you NZ European! That is the myth you have been fed. It has no basis in fact.	John H (8)
1182095	2011-02-28 22:37:00	I'm not Pakeha, I'm white and bloody proud of it.	ubergeek85 (131)
1182096	2011-02-28 23:00:00	Everyone calls Maori Maori. Why can't they just return the favor and say who they are speaking too/about instead of lumping everyone under the sun in one word. Lazy.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
1182097	2011-02-28 23:09:00	I'm not Pakeha, I'm white and bloody proud of it. Go on, be truthful - you are probably a muddy sort of pink, but how could you be proud of that, so you call yourself white. The colour of purity, truth, good, and all that. Oh well, whatever blows your skirt up I suppose.	John H (8)
1182098	2011-03-01 00:22:00	I'm a 5th generation Kiwi.	Snorkbox (15764)
1182099	2011-03-01 00:28:00	Go on, be truthful - you are probably a muddy sort of pink, but how could you be proud of that, so you call yourself white. The colour of purity, truth, good, and all that. Oh well, whatever blows your skirt up I suppose. Wow	rob_on_guitar (4196)
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