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| Thread ID: 116360 | 2011-02-28 18:57:00 | Ken Ring on Campbell Live last night | Colpol (444) | PC World Chat |
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| 1182437 | 2011-03-11 00:46:00 | You prefer to believe crackpots, alternatively, you can just take my word as a physicist that they are crackpots . Unfortunately Terry your claiming to be a Physicist doesn’t cut much ice with me given that they don’t always agree . :D However, if you are, you should easily be able to answer the question: “Why do you suggest that the forces that act on the Earth in many ways, including the tides, can have no effect on anything that might cause an earthquake”? (without introducing red herrings) . ;) For my part I give you this scenario . I can assure you that I can place a number of seesaws interleaved with each other so that if I pull a piece of cotton attached to one, the whole lot change position . I can also arrange that one is stressed so it breaks when the rearrangement occurs . The principal is little different to the trigger mechanism on a gun or rifle whereby a large force is triggered by a small force . As far as I know neither Ken Ring nor anybody else has suggested that an earthquake will occur every King Tide or whatever . The only suggestion has been that if part of one of the plates is delicately balanced the effects of the combined effects of the Sun, Moon and Planets could trigger its unbalance . I too look forward to awarding marks for your response . :lol: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1182438 | 2011-03-11 00:48:00 | this would have made a great debate (an official one) | Gobe1 (6290) | ||
| 1182439 | 2011-03-11 00:57:00 | As I understand it the Moon is considered to be a major factor in 'de-stressing' the Earth over time and thus preventing very large earthquakes rather than smaller ones by triggering early. The Moon is a major reason why life was able to evolve on Earth due to the tides covering and uncovering beaches in a regular fashion. It's contribution to the stabilization and releasing of the forces built up in the tectonic plates over time is vital so I don't see how anyone could say the Moon could not contribute to an early trigger of building pent up forces in and around ChCh for instance, one way or another if it's going to happen it will and it could happen earlier than it would otherwise if triggered by the moon thus allowing some sort of predictability at least some of the times. I'm actually quite surprised that people are saying they will not accept that the Earth is a dynamic body which is constantly changing shape on a regular basis as the Moon orbits it, not just the water masses (tides) but the oblate spheroid shape of the Earth has a continuous rotating bulge closest to the Moon and on the opposite side moving all the time, this is 6th Form Physics where I come from. |
zqwerty (97) | ||
| 1182440 | 2011-03-11 01:00:00 | ................ I'm actually quite surprised that people are saying they will not accept that the Earth is a dynamic body which is constantly changing shape on a regular basis as the Moon orbits it, not just the water masses (tides) but the oblate spheroid shape of the Earth has a continuous rotating bulge closest to the Moon and on the opposite side moving all the time, this is 6th Form Physics where I come from. I haven't heard any people saying that that there isn't an earth tide. I am still waiting for BM to do his homework instead of continuing waffle on about see-saws and 'delicately balanced' tectonic plates :) Who was it who said give me a fulcrum and lever and I will move the earth ? |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 1182441 | 2011-03-11 01:09:00 | As I understand it the Moon is considered to be a major factor in 'de-stressing' the Earth over time and thus preventing very large earthquakes rather than smaller ones by triggering early. Ka? well you understand wrong. If you want to talk about de-stressing in CHCH maybe this is more relevant. www.news.com.au |
Battleneter2 (9361) | ||
| 1182442 | 2011-03-11 01:36:00 | this would have made a great debate (an official one) Probably. But then there are those who won't join official debates with inconvenient things like actual rules. :( |
Snorkbox (15764) | ||
| 1182443 | 2011-03-11 01:44:00 | Probably because not many would have had anything to do with 'official' debates. Seems like a long winded way of saying something is either better or worse and far less entertaining the drunken posting. Just my 5 cents anyways. Although I never tire of reading debates about conspiracies, religion, racism and all the stuff pushes peoples buttons. |
rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
| 1182444 | 2011-03-11 03:37:00 | I am still waiting for BM to do his homework instead of continuing waffle on about see-saws and 'delicately balanced' tectonic plates :) Who was it who said give me a fulcrum and lever and I will move the earth ? Well the proposition I put up should be easy for you to discredit then. When you’ve done that I’ll do some more homework. :D And yes I do remember Archimedes supposedly said “Give me a leaver long enough and a fulcrum strong enough and I’ll shift the world” or words to that effect. However the proposition was never falsifiable in accordance with rules set down by you and 2v, so must be nonsense. :eek: I mean he never did it, nor did anyone else and the onus was on him to prove it, or so you claim. :lol: Returning to the subject, there are a number of us still waiting for you to explain why we are wrong in thinking that the position of the Sun Moon and Planets can have no effect on the tipping or movement of earth’s plates. If you can just explain that then the matter will be resolved. :) |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1182445 | 2011-03-11 03:59:00 | BA: You keep completely missing the point and raising side issues. It is not at all unreasonable to to suggest that moon tide could influence the incidence of earthquakes, but the onus is on people like Ken Ring and Glasby to back this up with credible science, whether theoretical physics, or credible correlation of various data. From what I've read they have failed to do this, as they are obsessed with pretending to be able to predict, and gullible people go along with it. Then they challenge other people to disprove what they are proposing as a way of ducking out actually proving what they are proposing. You are doing the same. I have had to deal with several charlatans in my career. If you can't do the simple maths to illustrate the forces Venus can exert on earth and how they are essentially negligible compared to the forces in an earthquake, then I'm happy to demonstrate and thus show that planetary influences would have insignificant effects. After all you have mentioned planetry influences numerous times, even them being responsible for Earths seasons ;) People who keep using analogies are just demonstrating their own limitations and lack of clear logical reasoning powers. Analogies introduce their own fallacious reasonings and are to be generally avoided |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 1182446 | 2011-03-11 04:40:00 | Just to show I am 'open minded', here is a reference to work by a seismologist at University of California Berkeley, that indicates that indeed earth tides can trigger small tremors along some faults. This is credible science, not unsubstantiated proposals. (Note a proposal is not a theory in the scientific sense) www.wired.com |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
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