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Thread ID: 148151	2019-08-18 05:40:00	It Used To Be - the American influence	Roscoe (6288)	PC World Chat

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1463119	2019-08-18 05:40:00	We have our own language, our Kiwi way of speaking, but unfortunately, it's being taken over by the American influence. For example: It used to be a railway line, now it’s a railway track. It used to be a goods train, now it’s a freight train. It used to be an account or an invoice, now it’s a bill. We used to do jobs as children, now we do chores. It used to be a mate, now it’s a buddy. It used to be hello or gidday, now it’s hi. It used to be a meeting, now it’s a meet, the same as many words ending in ing. It used to be a camping ground, now it’s a campground. It used to be a chook or a hen, now it’s a chicken. It used to be a fire engine, now it’s a fire truck. It used to be a dressing gown, now it’s a robe. It used to be” I suppose”, now it’s” I guess”. It used to be wife, spouse or girlfriend, now it’s a partner. It used to be an affect, now it’s an impact. It used to be a stamping ground, now it’s a stomping ground. It used to be a coffin, now it’s a casket. They used to die, now they pass away. It used to be a gaol, now it’s a jail. It used to be biscuits, now it’s cookies. It used to be a discussion, now it’s a conversation. It used to be an aeroplane, now it’s an airplane. It used to be wellbeing, now it’s wellness. It used to be a washhouse, now it’s a laundry. It used to be people, now it’s persons. It used to be men, women, boys and girls, now it’s guys. The card game Patience is now called Solitaire. It used to be signs, now it’s sinage. I'm certain you can think of a few more. It's a bit sad the way our unique Kiwi way of talking is being overun by the American influence.:annoyed:	Roscoe (6288)
1463120	2019-08-18 09:40:00	Well, one thing i don't regret changing - instead of Lucas being an expensive way of sitting motionless in the dark with the wipers stopped and smoke coming from the back of the panel, it now signifies a rather heavily promoted oil. Even for those feeling nostalgic for Lucas sparkless ignition, we (aside from auto-electricians, tow-truck operators, electrical parts sellers and the Ministry of Wartime Blackouts) are winning pretty decisively from that exorcism.	R2x1 (4628)
1463121	2019-08-18 21:35:00	Not sure about that. Plenty of yank words we don't use here. And they would be a bit confused with some of ours: Getting pissed with your bro, ay cuz, chur....wearing your jandals while scarfing down your pie, while staying at the bach. But then they're all bogans anyway, so it's a crack up. Anyway too much hard yakka typing all the words we use that would leave them thinking we're a bit suss	piroska (17583)
1463122	2019-08-18 22:26:00	We have our own language..... Do we ?? "Our" language is a bastard mix of French, Latin , German etc etc . Yet somehow, for some reason, allowing US words into our so called pure language is unacceptable Just anti American bigotry . Where's the call to remove all the French derived words from our Language ? At least US words are easier to spell :)	1101 (13337)
1463123	2019-08-19 01:37:00	The only constant in language is that people will keep complaining that it changes :)	pcuser42 (130)
1463124	2019-08-19 02:22:00	I can remember when you had to be bilingual to travel between the North & South Island. :)	B.M. (505)
1463125	2019-08-19 05:06:00	"Our" language is a bastard mix of French, Latin , German etc etc . :) English is a member of the Indo-European family of languages. This broad family includes most of the European languages spoken today. The Indo-European family includes several major branches: Latin and the modern Romance languages; The Germanic languages; The Indo-Iranian languages, including Hindi and Sanskrit; The Slavic languages; The Baltic languages of Latvian and Lithuanian (but not Estonian); The Celtic languages; and Greek. The majority of words in modern English come from foreign, not Old English roots. In fact, only about one sixth of the known Old English words have descendants surviving today. Old English (450-1.100) The history of the English language really started with the arrival of three Germanic tribes who invaded Britain during the 5th century AD. These tribes, the Angles, the Saxons and the Jutes, crossed the North Sea from what today is Denmark and northern Germany. At that time the inhabitants of Britain spoke a Celtic language. But most of the Celtic speakers were pushed west and north by the invaders – mainly into what is now Wales, Scotland and Ireland. The Angles came from “Englaland” [sic] and their language was called “Englisc” – from which the words “England” and “English” are derived. Their language, now known as “Old English“, was soon adopted as the common language of this relatively remote corner of Europe. Although you and I would find it hard to understand Old English, it provided a solid foundation for the language we speak today and gave us many essential words like “be”, “strong” and “water”. Middle English (1.100 – 1.500) The Viking invasion: With the Viking invasions (Vikings were a tribe of Nordic people that ransacked their way through Northern and Northwestern Europe 1,000-1,200 years ago), Old English got mixed up with Old Norse, the language of the Viking tribes. Old Norse ended up giving English more than 2,000 new words, including “give” and “take”, “egg”, “knife”, “husband”, “run” and “viking”. The French are coming: Although English was spoken widely on the British Isles by 1,000 AD, the Norman invasion established French as the language of royals and of power. Old English was left to the peasants, and despite its less glamorous status, it continued to develop and grow by adopting a whole host of Latin and French words, including everyday words such as “beer”,”city”, “fruit” and “people”, as well as half of the months of the year. By adopting and adapting French words, the English language also became more sophisticated through the inclusion of concepts and words like “liberty” and “justice”. Modern English Early Modern English (1500 – 1800) – the tempest ends in a storm: In the 14th-15th century, following the Hundred Years War with France that ended French rule of the British Isles, English became the language of power and influence once again. It got a further boost through the development of English literature and English culture, spearheaded by William Shakespeare. Shakespeare’s influence on the development of the English language and its unique and rich culture is hard to grasp; the man is said to have invented at least 1,700 words, including “alligator”, “puppy dog”, and “fashionable”, in addition to penning classics like Romeo & Juliet and Hamlet! Towards the end of Middle English, a sudden and distinct change in pronunciation (the Great Vowel Shift) started, with vowels being pronounced shorter and shorter. From the 16th century the British had contact with many peoples from around the world. This, and the Renaissance of Classical learning, meant that many new words and phrases entered the language. The invention of printing also meant that there was now a common language in print. Books became cheaper and more people learned to read. Printing also brought standardization to English. Spelling and grammar became fixed, and the dialect of London, where most publishing houses were, became the standard. In 1604 the first English dictionary was published. If Shakespeare established English as a culturally significant, rich language, the rapidly developing world of science started changing the English language in the 17th-18th centuries, necessitating the invention of new words, including “gravity”, “acid” and “electricity”. Last Modern English (1800 – Present): The main difference between Early Modern English and Late Modern English is vocabulary. Late Modern English has many more words, arising from two principal factors: firstly, the Industrial Revolution and technology created a need for new words; secondly, the English-speaking world was at the center of a lot of scientific progress, scientific advances went hand-in-hand with the evolution of the language. Words like oxygen, protein, nuclear, and vaccine did not exist in the classical languages, but they were created from Latin and Greek roots Also, the rise of the British Empire and the growth of global trade served not only to introduce English to the world, but to introduce words into English. Hindi, and the other languages of the Indian subcontinent, provided many words, such as pundit, shampoo, pajamas, and juggernaut. Virtually every language on Earth has contributed to the development of English, from Finnish (sauna) and Japanese (tycoon) to the vast contributions of French and Latin.	piroska (17583)
1463126	2019-08-19 05:20:00	Do we ?? "Our" language is a bastard mix of French, Latin , German etc etc . Yet somehow, for some reason, allowing US words into our so called pure language is unacceptable Just anti American bigotry . Where's the call to remove all the French derived words from our Language ? At least US words are easier to spell :) If you read properly what I said and understood, you will see that what I was saying that people are using American words and phrases in place of Kiwi words and phrases . We have perfectly good words for all those things I mentioned yet people substitute American words for Kiwi words, which is different from French, Latin, German, etc etc, which are new words adopted by the English language with their own meaning . For example: café, restaurant and bistro - these are not substitutions but are new words . Next time read carefully before you comment . I think of the old saying: It is better to be thought a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt . :waughh:	Roscoe (6288)
1463127	2019-08-19 21:13:00	[QUOTE=Roscoe;1291414. We have perfectly good words for all those things I mentioned yet people substitute American words for Kiwi words, which is different from French, Latin, German, etc etc, which are new words adopted by the English language with their own meaning.:[/QUOTE] Actually it isn't so different. Even before America was colonised, there were 2 or more words for the same thing in English. It's just a more modern adoption of words. Don't like them, then don't use them.	piroska (17583)
1463128	2019-08-19 22:20:00	If you read properly what I said and understood I did read what you said. Kiwi is a bastardized mix of many other languages. You have decided to single out the US influence on our language & conveniently ignore all the other cultures that made our KIWI language .	1101 (13337)
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