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Thread ID: 116707	2011-03-16 08:22:00	Driver or cyclist at fault?	64etert (15489)	PC World Chat

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1186828	2011-03-17 02:07:00	I'd say the car doorowner must accept he/she is the MAJOR cause of this death however.... its the most dangerous road in AK for bikes, so bike-riders MUST accept some responsibility when they decide to ride there , regardless of who actually causes the accidents. A bit like going into a dark alley in a crime ridden neighborhood & complaining about being mugged. Heck, I even get nervous driving a car on the left lanes past parked cars down there. So why still no real solution by the council ?? Just make the whole road 2 single, narrow lanes, no parking along the narrow parts of the road & put in a USUABLE cycle lane. Even an idiot can see the existing cycle lanes are full of pedestrians, prams, rollerbladers etc	1101 (13337)
1186829	2011-03-17 02:48:00	So there WAS a clearly marked cycle lane on the foothpath at the time of the accident?	Zippity (58)
1186830	2011-03-17 03:08:00	When I 'lived' there (lived seems a strange description for existing in Auckland) the so-called cycle lane was marked on the footpath, and you had to share it with lots of shingle, pedestrians, runners, baby buggies, broken glass etc. It was a cycle lane in name only. Your point (if there is one) is pointless anyway. It doesn't matter as far as the case is concerned. The cyclist was a legitimate road user, along with many, many other cyclists (and motor cyclists who would have been similarly affected by a door opened in their path). It is irrelevant whether there was a cycle lane. You are just trying to blame the victim, which is usually the case when cyclists are killed by motorists.	John H (8)
1186831	2011-03-17 03:10:00	I'd say the car doorowner must accept he/she is the MAJOR cause of this death however . . . . its the most dangerous road in AK for bikes, so bike-riders MUST accept some responsibility when they decide to ride there , regardless of who actually causes the accidents . A bit like going into a dark alley in a crime ridden neighborhood & complaining about being mugged . Heck, I even get nervous driving a car on the left lanes past parked cars down there . So why still no real solution by the council ?? Just make the whole road 2 single, narrow lanes, no parking along the narrow parts of the road & put in a USUABLE cycle lane . Even an idiot can see the existing cycle lanes are full of pedestrians, prams, rollerbladers etc You're onto it! :thumbs: The council are still sitting on their hands because the only solution that appeases all users of that road will cost MILLIONS . However now that Auckland is under one banner, that potentially reduces the rates burden for improvements to one of the best roads around . So there WAS a clearly marked cycle lane on the foothpath at the time of the accident? There's a difference between a cycle lane (on-road) and a cycle path (shared with other footpath users) . What exists at this point on Tamaki Drive is a cycle path which is of little use to anyone commuting . A cycle path is designed for low speed meandering . There are multiple reasons here for this woman's tragic death: The driver obviously did not take due care when opening the door (as evidenced by the charges laid) - not only did the driver open the door on a cyclist, but the driver obviously did not see the truck close behind (which took out the cyclist) . The cyclist was apparently not riding assertively/defensively, holding a steady line and watching parked cars in front . The truck driver was also apparently not paying attention to the potential hazards in front of him . Whoever was to blame (and it seems the Police have picked the root cause), this was a tragic and avoidable waste of human life . The surviving parties will be traumatised as will the family of the woman killed .	johcar (6283)
1186832	2011-03-17 03:48:00	When I 'lived' there (lived seems a strange description for existing in Auckland) the so-called cycle lane was marked on the footpath, and you had to share it with lots of shingle, pedestrians, runners, baby buggies, broken glass etc. It was a cycle lane in name only. Your point (if there is one) is pointless anyway. It doesn't matter as far as the case is concerned. The cyclist was a legitimate road user, along with many, many other cyclists (and motor cyclists who would have been similarly affected by a door opened in their path). It is irrelevant whether there was a cycle lane. You are just trying to blame the victim, which is usually the case when cyclists are killed by motorists. WOW!!! Did you figure all that out for yourself from just one sentence from me? Amazing :( :( :(	Zippity (58)
1186833	2011-03-17 05:16:00	So the truck got her from behind? Either way, if there is a cycle path provided, a skinny busy road, low speed or high speed the cyclist should be using the path. BUT the truck driver is also at fault if he/she ran her over from behind, and also shows the car driver obviously wasn't thinking.... which definitely shows the driver had no intent to open the door on the cyclist, just switched off. Unfortunately the moment of not thinking was fatal.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
1186834	2011-03-17 06:01:00	So the truck got her from behind? Either way, if there is a cycle path provided, a skinny busy road, low speed or high speed the cyclist should be using the path. BUT the truck driver is also at fault if he/she ran her over from behind, and also shows the car driver obviously wasn't thinking.... which definitely shows the driver had no intent to open the door on the cyclist, just switched off. Unfortunately the moment of not thinking was fatal. The charges laid against the door-opener do not take into account "intent". "Careless driving" is all about negligence. When you're in charge of a mechanised weapon, you are not supposed to "switch off".	johcar (6283)
1186835	2011-03-17 06:38:00	I wonder what would have happen if it had been the rear passenger that had opened the door? Careless use of a motor vehicle that they weren't driving ??	paulw (1826)
1186836	2011-03-17 08:22:00	Do you ride a cycle? If you did, you would know this would put you in the middle of car lanes in most cities. Not an option. Therefore the proposed 1.5m suggestion would be unworkable and unenforceable. I would like to see cycle ways of good quality from A to B on a small number of streets rather than councils trying to put half baked ones on every street as some are trying to do. Yes I do ride a bike	Arnie (6624)
1186837	2011-03-17 20:45:00	Isn't it great to be so smug after the event? New Zealand's new fun filled pastime :(	Zippity (58)
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