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Thread ID: 116936	2011-03-26 05:59:00	Bet this would never happen in NZ..	paulw (1826)	PC World Chat

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1189583	2011-03-27 19:16:00	It's good to see that CHCH's roading is getting repaired so fast. Now shall we take bets on how long to rebuild the city center?? Re-building will be progressive for the next 10 years, we are talking well over a 1000 buildings being demolished inside the CBD alone, with probably that figure again needing tangible work. 50% of buildings in the CBD have no or light damage. Overall a massive job considering Japans task and resources vs NZ, NZ has the much bigger job. Don't forget Christchurch was built on a swamp "Parts" of CHCH are built on a swamp, the land is very diverse from hard rock to old riverbeds to swamp. The land can vary in the same suburb.	Battleneter2 (9361)
1189584	2011-03-27 19:37:00	for us, state of emergency has been extended for the foreseeable future :D and we are gonna cut kiwisaver, wff, everything is on the table The money has to come from somewhere, they could always borrow more.......	Gobe1 (6290)
1189585	2011-03-27 20:53:00	Re-building will be progressive for the next 10 years, we are talking well over a 1000 buildings being demolished inside the CBD alone, with probably that figure again needing tangible work . 50% of buildings in the CBD have no or light damage . Overall a massive job considering Japans task and resources vs NZ, NZ has the much bigger job . "Parts" of CHCH are built on a swamp, the land is very diverse from hard rock to old riverbeds to swamp . The land can vary in the same suburb . 1) Re-building we have heard could be from 3 to 18 years, so we proffered 15 for ours, reply, could be . 2) Daughter took a course in geology, so will re-check "parts" . As matter of interest on "riverbeds", as kids playing in the Mangatera River in Hawkes Bay, we had to be pulled out of "quick-sand" after stepping off solid shingle (rocks) . Still say Christchurch should be re-built out on the Canterbury plains, not near Darfield tho . Port Hills have not come off without any damage this time, built on rocks too ! . Lurking .	Lurking (218)
1189586	2011-03-28 04:10:00	1) Re-building we have heard could be from 3 to 18 years, so we proffered 15 for ours, reply, could be . 2) Daughter took a course in geology, so will re-check "parts" . As matter of interest on "riverbeds", as kids playing in the Mangatera River in Hawkes Bay, we had to be pulled out of "quick-sand" after stepping off solid shingle (rocks) . Still say Christchurch should be re-built out on the Canterbury plains, not near Darfield tho . Port Hills have not come off without any damage this time, built on rocks too ! . Lurking . Rebuilding is progressive, but I would suggest much under 10 years to rebuild the same amount of floor space lost in whatever form is probably dreaming, but keep in mind CHCH as a whole did have a over capacity in business floor space . There is next to no chance they will move the CBD imho, although sure no one is officially ruling it out . Keep in mind around 50% ish of the buildings in the CBD are largely fine, there is lessons to learn in construction to offset the soft ground . Lastly this type of ground is hardly unique to CHCH, "parts" of Wellington, California and many others all has similar ground .	Battleneter2 (9361)
1189587	2011-03-28 22:50:00	Rebuilding is progressive, but I would suggest much under 10 years to rebuild the same amount of floor space lost in whatever form is probably dreaming, but keep in mind CHCH as a whole did have a over capacity in business floor space . There is next to no chance they will move the CBD imho, although sure no one is officially ruling it out . Keep in mind around 50% ish of the buildings in the CBD are largely fine, there is lessons to learn in construction to offset the soft ground . Lastly this type of ground is hardly unique to CHCH, "parts" of Wellington, California and many others all has similar ground . Agree on the over supply of "floor space", add to that those who will/are re-locating elsewhere . 50% are fine, but, what a good opportunity to make a green area in the CBD as a memorial to those who lost their lives there . Ground types here are very prone to liquefaction and sink holes, 2 people were sucked into them and lucky to be pulled out by neighbours, 1 in Bexley and the other in Avondale . Lurking .	Lurking (218)
1189588	2011-03-28 23:29:00	Agree on the over supply of "floor space", add to that those who will/are re-locating elsewhere. 50% are fine, but, what a good opportunity to make a green area in the CBD as a memorial to those who lost their lives there. Ground types here are very prone to liquefaction and sink holes, 2 people were sucked into them and lucky to be pulled out by neighbours, 1 in Bexley and the other in Avondale. Lurking. I agree parts of certain eastern suburbs need to be retired, just far too costly/difficult to remediate the land esp just for residential housing. I think there is great opportunity to develop the CBD in a coherent way. Lots of land now for large scale projects and a memorial with more greenery in general. Just hope rows of small concrete bland looking buildings dont spring up to replace the ones lost down the likes of Manchester ST. May require central government legislating to force small land owners to sell for a fair price for larger projects etc.	Battleneter2 (9361)
1189589	2011-03-29 00:21:00	Just shows the problem NZ has with too much expensive regulation, and being such a nanny state, that we simply can't afford it. It is one of the reasons why NZ house prices and the cost of building is one of the highest in the world, especially compared to our wages.	robbyp (2751)
1189590	2011-03-29 00:37:00	Christchurchs CBD was too big and spread out anyway I think, and it lacked a shopping area right in the centre of town, and many of the buildings that collapsed should have been pulled down years ago or retrofitted, as they weren't up to EQ standards. At least now they have the chance to do some real urban design work. I think the actual building work should be spread out, and as their is a likely hood that there will be some major aftershocks over the next 12 months there is probably no rush for that. Where there is a rush is getting roads and all services fixed.	robbyp (2751)
1189591	2011-03-29 00:42:00	I agree parts of certain eastern suburbs need to be retired, just far too costly/difficult to remediate the land esp just for residential housing. I think there is great opportunity to develop the CBD in a coherent way. Lots of land now for large scale projects and a memorial with more greenery in general. Just hope rows of small concrete bland looking buildings dont spring up to replace the ones lost down the likes of Manchester ST. May require central government legislating to force small land owners to sell for a fair price for larger projects etc. The remediation has now gone by the board, far too expensive, the underground dam formations they envisaged, would have been blown up out of the ground with the 6.3 type of quake. Agree with your second viewpoint, wooden structures which would give much better than concrete or brick would be a good idea. Lurking.	Lurking (218)
1189592	2011-03-29 00:52:00	Just shows the problem NZ has with too much expensive regulation, and being such a nanny state, that we simply can't afford it. It is one of the reasons why NZ house prices and the cost of building is one of the highest in the world, especially compared to our wages. Agree with the over abundance of bureaucracy, Environment Court over ruling ECAN in the case of the Bexley fiasco. House prices were following the pattern of the share market of the 1980's and the Mums' and Dads' chasing the high interest returns of recent years. Mind you you could blame the Clinton Democrat Government in having the banks give 110% housing loans to the under privileged. Lurking.	Lurking (218)
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