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| Thread ID: 117292 | 2011-04-12 03:01:00 | Dictators | DeSade (984) | PC World Chat |
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| 1193754 | 2011-04-12 10:14:00 | They were all American puppets at one time! ?? Don't think so. Egypt is the only country politically close to the USA and that has saved a lot of bloodshed in the region. Gone Tunisia - Ben Ali Egypt - Hosni Mubarak Ivory Coast - Laurent Gbagdo Going Yemen - Ali Abdullah Saleh Lybia - Muammar Gaddafi All in the space of a few months, what does this mean, what does this tell us. My worry is China, what if the people of China realize there is a better way, what happens to the world if the second largest economy is swallowed in civil war? I have no idea and so far as I can tell, most Middle East experts are stunned as well. Its worth remembering that nobody predicted the Fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Iron Curtain which immediately followed. This looks very similar. The problem is the Mid East nations are largely dictatorships with no active opposition. Accordingly organising a rebellion as we see in Libya is fraught with problems because the rebels have no common group. In fact Gaddafi may survive as President. Lets assume the rebellions succeed. What's the template? Iraq. Saddam bastard that he was, kept a lid on unrest. When he was gone this normally secular nation erupted into violence which the West simply did not understand. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 1193755 | 2011-04-12 10:17:00 | Yes that does explain the second and third etc at least part of the way. And social networking does explain why it was successful. But what started this in Tunisia to begin with, is there a group or interests working behind the scenes in these countries? Lucas pacifiers. ;) |
R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 1193756 | 2011-04-12 10:36:00 | I dont the think commie chinese will do the revolution thing while they are making****loads of money. The moment the economy takes the nose dive the commie leaders will be in trouble. Mainland communist chinese have never had democracy in their whole history. I am not sure they could handle it. They seem to like authority my opinion formed by the views of my chinese wife and from living in her dictatorial homeland Singers. prefect, I've pointed out many times in this forum that the so-called 'communism' in China is not the kind of communism you perceived. What you read/see are mostly reports from the West media with tinted glasses on. I would really suggest you to go to China (if you have the opportunity) and see with your own eyes and hear with your own ears what China is TODAY. I assume you don't read Chinese (pardon me if I'm wrong) and as such you have no access to reports from the other side (to compare). Chinese culture is very different from the West. The western model of democracy just won't work in China. They have their own model of democracy system which the west may not accept it, but that's not important. The most important thing is, as long as the majority of Chinese in China are happy with what they are, why should the west be concerned? That's their model of democracy - THE MAJORITY ARE HAPPY with their leaders. What is the definition of a good leader? My definition is: someone who can lead the nation to prosperity, provided jobs, good education, health-care, shelter, good transport system, etc., for its people. Who cares whether this person a communist or not? The bottom line here is: China is heading the right direction for its 1.3 b citizens! If the Chinese people think that their system is working for them, who are we to comment whether China should follow the Western model of Democracy or not? Similarly, if the leaders of Singapore can provide jobs, education, housing, good transport system. etc.for its citizens, and its people(majority) are happy with their system and their leaders, leave them alone. That's their model democracy! The Western model of democracy just won't work in Singapore and China! Good leaders should be able to work out a good system for their people to fulfill their needs and lead their nation to prosperity not to follow blindly what the West wants. Do the West really care about the people in China/Singapore, or any other parts of the world? Do they really care about the welfare of the Iraqis people? The answer is a BIG NO! Only their own people know what kind of leader and system they need. This world will be more peaceful if the US led nations just mind their own business! Your Chinese wife surely doesn't represent the majority of Singaporeans and Chinese in China! She only represents herself. |
bk T (215) | ||
| 1193757 | 2011-04-12 12:48:00 | I find the uprisings in the middle east rather interesting, I'm no expert by any stretch of imagination, but it seems that a lot of people were simply fed up, sick of their government working for itself rather than the people. All it took was a few people with some balls to say "OK, we're protesting, so what if we get arrested?". That was the seed. When word spread of a public protest, a lot of people thought "I'm fed up, I'm going down to protest with them". And it just snowballed from there. Then it snowballed across various nations. I can't help but think of North Korea. I wonder what will eventually happen there, Kim seems to have the people eating out of the palm of his hand, praising him as though he was a god (just look at what happened when his father eventually died). Even if the people got wise to him, it would take one crazy nation to support the opposition, what with all the nukes and whatnot Kim is trying to get his grubby little mitts on... |
ubergeek85 (131) | ||
| 1193758 | 2011-04-12 20:51:00 | prefect, I've pointed out many times in this forum that the so-called 'communism' in China is not the kind of communism you perceived. What you read/see are mostly reports from the West media with tinted glasses on. I would really suggest you to go to China (if you have the opportunity) and see with your own eyes and hear with your own ears what China is TODAY. I assume you don't read Chinese (pardon me if I'm wrong) and as such you have no access to reports from the other side (to compare). Chinese culture is very different from the West. The western model of democracy just won't work in China. They have their own model of democracy system which the west may not accept it, but that's not important. The most important thing is, as long as the majority of Chinese in China are happy with what they are, why should the west be concerned? That's their model of democracy - THE MAJORITY ARE HAPPY with their leaders. What is the definition of a good leader? My definition is: someone who can lead the nation to prosperity, provided jobs, good education, health-care, shelter, good transport system, etc., for its people. Who cares whether this person a communist or not? The bottom line here is: China is heading the right direction for its 1.3 b citizens! If the Chinese people think that their system is working for them, who are we to comment whether China should follow the Western model of Democracy or not? Similarly, if the leaders of Singapore can provide jobs, education, housing, good transport system. etc.for its citizens, and its people(majority) are happy with their system and their leaders, leave them alone. That's their model democracy! The Western model of democracy just won't work in Singapore and China! Good leaders should be able to work out a good system for their people to fulfill their needs and lead their nation to prosperity not to follow blindly what the West wants. Do the West really care about the people in China/Singapore, or any other parts of the world? Do they really care about the welfare of the Iraqis people? The answer is a BIG NO! Only their own people know what kind of leader and system they need. This world will be more peaceful if the US led nations just mind their own business! Your Chinese wife surely doesn't represent the majority of Singaporeans and Chinese in China! She only represents herself. Communist China is communist |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 1193759 | 2011-04-12 20:55:00 | So what is it like being a dictator? Friken awesome |
Gobe1 (6290) | ||
| 1193760 | 2011-04-12 21:06:00 | Most of the worlds Dictators were were trained at Sandhurst the British Army Officer school, we sure know how to train them to be thorough | gary67 (56) | ||
| 1193761 | 2011-04-12 22:46:00 | Communist China is communist Well, that's your perception. Good on you. |
bk T (215) | ||
| 1193762 | 2011-04-12 22:58:00 | Here is a list of communist countries off the top of my head which are communist. Communist china (As opposed to Taiwan) North Korea Laos Cuba North Vietnam (I dont recognize the reunification) |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 1193763 | 2011-04-12 23:41:00 | ... North Vietnam (I dont recognize the reunification) Are you living in this world called 'EARTH'? |
bk T (215) | ||
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