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Thread ID: 119982	2011-08-19 13:38:00	Apple’s Underhanded Tactics Won’t Keep Samsung Down As Ban On Galaxy Tablet Gets Lift	Geek4414 (12000)	Press F1

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1224569	2011-08-26 03:48:00	I remember Project Looking Glass. Got it running back in like 2005 :D	Chilling_Silence (9)
1224570	2011-08-26 05:24:00	I remember Project Looking Glass. Got it running back in like 2005 :D Well, obviously the almighty leader of the fruit cult has very short memory. LOL.	Geek4414 (12000)
1224571	2011-08-26 06:05:00	More interesting tidbits about copycat acts and pots calling the kettle black etc . . . Looks like the fruit had to admit they infringed on Nokia's IP/patent and have to cough up . They think it's ok to steal Nokia's IP without paying while they claim other people stealing theirs? Go Figure . Spanked . Apple agrees to pay Nokia patent licensing fees ( . cnet . com/8301-13579_3-20070970-37/apple-agrees-to-pay-nokia-patent-licensing-fees/" target="_blank">news . cnet . com) ------------------------------------------------------------------- by Mergatroid Mania (4102 comments ) June 14, 2011 11:20 AM PDT @solitare_pax If the patent is so trivial, why is Apple willing to pay so much to license it? The fact is, Nokia is one of the original earliest cell phone manufacturers and anyone making a cell phone these days better review what Nokia owns . Obviously Apple took liberties they shouldn't have, which has now been proved as fact since they are paying the fees . Personally I would have liked to see Nokia stick it to Apple, as in an injunction preventing them from selling until they remove the offending tech . Maybe that would teach the bully Apple a sweeter lesson . ------------------------------------------------------------------- by Waam (343 comments ) June 14, 2011 1:43 PM PDT 608M sounds like a lot of money, but Apple is making billions per quarter off their iPhone . It's good they did this, but at the same time, I'm sure Nokia could have definitely gotten a whole lot more . ------------------------------------------------------------------- by Mergatroid Mania (4102 comments ) June 14, 2011 11:24 AM PDT If you listen to Apple and their fanboys, the patent system is only right when Apple sues . Face it, Apple took something that didn't belong to them . No matter how you twist it, Apple was wrong . Finally the bully gets shot down, a little at least . BTW, Nokia likely has more cell related patents than any other company, other than perhaps Motorola . You think Apple should be able to help themselves? You think Apple would let other companies do that to Apple patents? Right, we all know the answer to that . ------------------------------------------------------------------- by DrtyDogg (2234 comments ) June 14, 2011 4:49 PM PDT @hawkeye_a: You are missing one very valid part, yes the Nokia/Microsoft deal has a lot to do with this . Nokia's patents mostly pertain to GSM communication and are rock solid, Apple's patents are mostly software/UI related . Microsoft and Apple have a cross licensing deal already in place . With Nokia ditching their OS and using Microsoft's OS Apple's case falls flat . ------------------------------------------------------------------- by fudbuster77 (3525 comments ) June 14, 2011 9:21 AM PDT "This is in every way win for Apple . " Well, except for that entire 'losing to Nokia' part that is the point of the lawsuits . Nokia will get a fat check for all past and current infringing products, and then continue to be paid by Apple to license the technology . When a company comes to you and settles out of court, drops all counter lawsuits against you, and then pays you $XXX millions of dollars, then it's hard to consider that a 'win' for Apple . I think Apple may just have to consider it a cost of doing business . ------------------------------------------------------------------- by mbenedict (994 comments ) June 14, 2011 10:19 AM PDT @Synthmeister: It is absolutely NOT TRUE that Nokia demanded Apple to "pay much higher licensing fees" . That would be ILLEGAL under US law and Apple would have had a very easy case to make against Nokia . The fact is, Apple realized their disadvantaged position and was forced to an agreement favoring Nokia . A patent is a monopoly granted by the government to protect inventions . In exchange for this protection, the patent holder MUST agree to license the patent at a fair value . See for example IPCom vs . Nokia . IPCom refused to license patents acquired from Bosch at a fair price, until Nokia went to the European Commission to force IPCom to do just that . Furthermore, in the US both the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and the Clayton Antitrust Act disallows charging different companies differing prices . If Nokia had demanded higher licensing fees from Apple, that could be construed as "restraint of trade" under the Sherman Act . The Clayton Act specifically forbids "price discrimination between purchasers" if such discrimination tends to create a monopoly -- which as explained above, would be true for patent cases by definition .	Geek4414 (12000)
1224572	2011-08-26 06:19:00	Surpirsed ... Not ... by Mergatroid Mania (4102 comments ) June 14, 2011 11:39 AM PDT Apple sues a company over copying software or gestures: Apple fanboy "Get them Apple. You invented gesturing so sue their a$$es off!!!!" Apple gets sued by a company for stealing their hardware IP: Apple fanboy "the patent system is broken!!! waaa waaaa, Apple's always right so they should be able to take whatever they want....waaaa....waaa...hey, wait a minute...didn't Apple invent that?"	Geek4414 (12000)
1224573	2011-08-26 07:17:00	You seem to have an abnormal unhealthy obsession about this subject. Think you need to go and do something different instead of spending all your time searching for something to copy and paste here which is really of no interest to most people. It will all worked out by greater minds than us so get a good book to read or go for a long walk in the fresh air. Believe it or not there are more important things going on in the world.	Safari (3993)
1224574	2011-08-26 08:09:00	With a sig like Safari I assume your an Apple fanboi and would like to see all criticism of Crapple shut down..	paulw (1826)
1224575	2011-08-26 08:51:00	I'm far from an apple fanatic, quite the opposite in fact, but I'm with Safari on this one...	Chilling_Silence (9)
1224576	2011-08-26 09:17:00	With a sig like Safari I assume your an Apple fanboi and would like to see all criticism of Crapple shut down.. I actually use both Mac and Windows Paul and find they both work fine for what I want to do. I have no problem with criticism of either platform but 20 posts about the same thing is a little tedious and not normal criticism in my view and should not be necessary to get a point across.	Safari (3993)
1224577	2011-08-26 09:28:00	With a sig like Safari I assume your an Apple fanboi and would like to see all criticism of Crapple shut down.. Ditto. I just don't understand why they can get away with so many anti-competitive practices while the mainstream media turn a complete blind eye to it. I believe the public need to know the true colour of their idol. You can call it an unhealthy interest but Apple is on the news everyday at the moment, without a mention of what they have done with the "alleged" forged evidence for the Germany court case. Judging from the number of views on this thread, its far from being "of no interest to most people", may be only to the fanatic fanboys. I am surprised of the lack of smart come backs from them, probably due to the fact that they can't deny any of these?? Oh well, I will give this a rest, for now.	Geek4414 (12000)
1224578	2011-08-26 09:34:00	True, but the 'fanboys' aren't responsible for the actions of their 'leader' are they? Googles gone and done it before, like when they collected wifi details and violated a whole lot of privacy laws in dozens of countries... But it's not the end of the world, we're not about to turn around and say "OK, Google, you've been bad, time to leave all things Google and go elsewhere".	Chilling_Silence (9)
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