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1224549 2011-08-21 23:04:00 That graph makes a change :D every ones NOT suing Microsoft for once. wainuitech (129)
1224550 2011-08-21 23:19:00 Yes, *that* is true ... Chilling_Silence (9)
1224551 2011-08-22 00:05:00 I saw a chart of all the smart phone companies that are sueing each other, basically a square with arrows going in all directions . Seems these guys spend way too much time and effort trying to shut each other down, imagine if that extra effort was put into product development instead .

Exactly, and competition is good for the consumers . If Apple shuts down Android, they will be able to slow down innovation (as usual) and charge people heaps of money for incremental improvements on their platform . They only added a lot of features because of the competition, and some of the so call new ideas in iOS5 came from Android!

Apple never invented any of their stuff, they either bought them or stole them to start with . . . coming from the horse's mouth . . .
. youtube . com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU" target="_blank">www . youtube . com

Forget Google, DoJ Fears Apple Gaining Nortel's "Stockpile Of Nuclear Weapons" — Here's Why
. com/2011/06/03/google-apple-nortel-patents/" target="_blank">techcrunch . com

Interesting comment . . .
David Walsh
The whole patent system is fundamentally flawed and is in dire need of an overhaul . It probably made sense in 1901 . It mainly rewards legalized crime today . It's purpose should be have a great unique idea, build it and sell it and patent it to protect DIRECT obvious copies . If somebody builds a better, evolved version of your idea, well, that's business my friend . And patenting obvious generic ideas that you never plan to even develop and then use legalese to extort cash . Pure slime .

Also interesting . . .

Apple vs . Samsung: Apple Stoles Samsung’s Design?
. com/2011/04/apple-vs-samsung-apple-stoles-samsungs-design/" target="_blank">applemonday . com

Apparently, the above has been debunked, but Samsung couldn't possibly pull off the design in 1 to 2 months after Apple unvieled the iphone design .


Some more good comments . . .

SFreptile 4 months ago
Who is going to care who's first anymore with the new changes in the U . S . patent laws rewarding first to file not first to invent .
Well, first to file is 4F, i . e . , First to File Fosters Fraud . Anyway, Apple with its 200 patent apps . will recapture what was old and claim it is new and win . Just my opinion people .


PatentERA_Sundown 4 months ago
Patent lawsuits become a marketing move to call somebody a copypaster and itself as an innovator .
NOKIA which can't win the 40-patents lawsuit against Apple, without which Apple couldn't create ANY phone or tablet means that tech patents are finally nothing but a kind of media pressure on competitors .
Geek4414 (12000)
1224552 2011-08-22 00:34:00 I wonder if Google would like to buy my patent ?

Whats Sergie's phone number ?
Digby (677)
1224553 2011-08-22 00:39:00 More intesting comments from the net . . .

Samdroid 1 month ago
Apple stole the iPod from Kane Kramer, stole the MacOS "dock" from RISC OS, Was sued by Burst . com and settled for the technology used in the iPod and iTunes, Stole the iPhone from LG Prada (the first capacitive touch screen phone), and NeoNode (the first optical touch screen phone), Stole parts of iOS (like swipe to unlock etc) from NeoNode, Sued by Nokia and settledfor patents related to GSM and UMTS standards as well as 802 . 11 WiFi technologies, Sued by Cisco and settled for using the "iPhone" name, Stole the Finder icon from a Picasso painting, Stole the App Store from Sony and Jailbreak/Cydia, and (with Bill) Stole the mouse/cursor interface from Xerox . innovative??


Samdroid 1 week ago
And . . . He copied Android features that include Notifications, Wireless syncing, Tabbed browsing, New split keyboard, Open apps from the lock screen, and Over the air updates . And he has the balls to sue others?


RL 1 week ago in reply to Samdroid
And not to mention without their stealing the GUI from Xerox Apple may not even exist


guest1110011 1 month ago in reply to bootak
well truth is, iphone 4 came out with a good physical attribute and it was a success, but their platform clearly sucks . . . im nt saying apple is not innovating, yeah for sure their start was good, but thats the end of it . . . they had a good start, the rest is just a copy of android . . .
front facing camera came out long ago in korea with the galaxy s, and 6 months later, apple RUSHES out their phone and marketed it as FACETIME, while this is a old skool technology
now iCloud?
New ios slide down notification?
widgets?
lol
it wnt be long where they shall also have a homescreen and live wallpaper . . . as compared to their "homescreen" hidden behind apps
i like iphone great start, but someone else is steppin up .
1 more thing, get out of ur iphone mentality and use an android for some time, i did that, and i clearly trashed my iphone and never going back unless i see something more customisable . . .


datawrecker 3 months ago in reply to bootak
The Galaxy outsold iPhone in Japan, S . Korea and even the European region .
iPhone is failing because they innovated on the initail device and then sat on it for years . How long did it take the iPhone to get a camera when even the cheapest flip phone had them? It took how long to implement Multitasking, SMS, MMS? Apple has stirred up a market it can no longer compete in .

Take the iPhone 5 . If rumored correctly it should be dual core . By the time it is release, the first quad core phone will be announced within to months (if Apple can . Not to mention other phones with 1080p recording, 3D recording, glasses free 3D screens, even the Android OS is becoming more polished than iOS because it Apple just cannot keep up .

Apple is an excellent designer . However, other manufacters are continually implementing better hardware, sturdier and better looking designs, and OSes that are growing at an amazing rate . Apple is about to get steamrolled by a market that it made it what it is today . (talk about drowning in your own feces)


Tryten9 3 months ago in reply to Dai
I said nothing of marketshare . It is going o take some time for anyone to unseat Apple's large portion of the market . We all know that . It is a fact that Samsung did outsell the iPhone in all of those Areas .

Don't get upset, it was bound to happen . Apple is known for stirring things up and then falling flat on its face .


WiredEarp 4 months ago in reply to East Coaster
I actually think the app store is better on Android . It really annoys me having to enter a password to 'buy' a free app on the apple store . . . I know it caches it for 30 minutes or so but still a PITA, and was a bit difficult to explain to my dad that he needed to put in his credit card to download a FREE app for his iPad . . .


Xpple 4 months ago in reply to Elie Ayoub
yep, they both are just a screen, black border around the screen, plastic at the top and bottom of the screen, and icons . . .

Funny . . . they aren't talking about the LG Prada that won the IF award in Sep 2006 and looks like these .
Geek4414 (12000)
1224554 2011-08-22 00:42:00 Regarding the debunking of the Samsung F700 vs iphone vs LG Prada, who is first . . . . slashgear . com/iphone-samsung-f700-prada-phone-rumors-debunked-20147320/" target="_blank">www . slashgear . com

Read some of the comments . . .

Poseidon 4 months ago
How can the Author even claim to have to 'debunked' the Prada rumor? Do you really think they started creating and assembling the phones within a period of 1 month?

Since 18th January was the date of the official "release" and not "announcement", it would mean that Prada was in the works much before the "announcement" of the iPhone . Coming up with the idea, then announcing, releasing and delivering the final product within a period of 1 month just doesn't cut it in the real world . Think it through thoroughly before trying to assert a baseless opinion .


Guest 4 months ago
I don't know why people are making it a big fuss when 1: There are lawsuits like this all the time and 2: How can you make a full touchscreen phone VERY different from one another?! They all practicly have the same style and really what matters is the HARDWARE and OS and maybe THE SIZE (for personal taste) . iPhone can't be compared hardware and OS wise to say, the Evo, Thunderbolt, Atrix, and the "Droid" line . All these phones are superior in almost every way . Apple only cares about the products look and can't quite keep up with the latest tech . I mean if you don't care about having some more up to date and don't understand technology, fine, go buy something with ios . Apple is hurt and that's why it's attacking Android more and more . They see that it's going to be almost impossible to win the smartphone market and are willing to do almost anything to try and stay on top of the "TABLET WARS . " Steve Jobs said the Xoom copied the tablet "idea . " Dude, the first one was the Ideos Tablet S7 made by Huawei that came out January 2010 while your stinking iPad came out in April of 2010 . Either way it's like saying Burger King copied McDonalds . . . . .


Robert 4 months ago
All this proves to me is my innitial thoughts were correct .
Its a pretty ****ing obvious design . . .
Do you know why no1 has been innovative enough to have a rectangular backplate shaped smartphone?
Because its Nerfing obvious to have a rounded back on a flat screen .
If apple had its way every single car manufacturer would have different shaped wheels on their car . Holden round . ford square . Ferrari hexagon .
This whole thing is flipping stupid . Apple driven to desperate measures suing any android phone manufacturer because it cant sue google directly .
They failed against HTC - so now they are leveling their guns at the up and coming #2 producer .
A producer that only a month or so ago made Jobs look like a douche by beating their form factor, beating their weight and matching ther form factor on a tablet design .


TradeDress 4 months ago in reply to n900mixalot
The trade dress patents are about a company attempting to deceive consumers by creating a "knockoff" of a product . In other words, Samsung has to violate enough of the trade dress patents in a way that would make their device look so similar to the iPhone that a consumer would be deceived into purchasing the Samsung device thinking that it's an iPhone .
I don't know about you but the big white lettered "Samsung" on the front of the device clearly indicates that it's not the iPhone . Not to mention the iPhone has a round single button and the Samsung devices have a big square button surrounded by two other buttons . Remember that Apple already lost a similar case to Meizu and their phone looked even more like the iPhone .
The best Apple has here is the UI infringement--claiming Samsung copied icons and the launcher . The grid of icons doesn't hold water because theirs years of prior art--see palm .
So . . . the big one is the launcher . Maybe Samsung will get slapped for that and maybe not because the LG Prada had 4 icons at the bottom also and as noted it won an award in Sep 2006 before the iPhone was shown, thus it demonstrates (regardless of patents) that there was a natural design tendency to this format .
Nonetheless . . . not much will happen with this anyways . By the time it gets to court smartphones will have changed significantly .


n900mixalot 4 months ago in reply to TradeDress
Hey thanks for clearing that up . What I just don't get though, is how Apple was ever granted a patent with claims like, "a square device with rounded edges, a "black bordered screen," etc . The claims are suuuper vague and I want to know more about why it was still granted . I know other manufacturers had to have objected .


Oletros 4 months ago
My God, I haven't read this:
"An interesting bit – the iPhone was for a while (and is sometimes still today) nicknamed the “Jesus Phone” – in September of 2007 the F700 was branded on Vodafone as the Croix, which translated from French to English is “cross . ” Tinfoil hats!"
I want te same thing that you smoke to say things like this . Or it is koolaid?


Oletros 4 months ago
"By Rue Liu on Fri Dec 15th, 2006 Discuss [13]
One of the latest in LG’s slim stylish phones is the LG KE850 . Although no official specs have been announced, some cool photos have surfaced for our ogling pleasure . "
. slashgear . com/lg-ke . . . " target="_blank">www . slashgear . com
At least, youy can check your own site before "debunking" nothing
Look definitive to you?
Geek4414 (12000)
1224555 2011-08-22 01:51:00 You might like this blog article I wrote then Geek4414:
www.c2s.co.nz

One thing I'm yet to add is this:
www.cultofmac.com
vs my current phone:
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Chilling_Silence (9)
1224556 2011-08-22 02:32:00 You might like this blog article I wrote then Geek4414:
www.c2s.co.nz

One thing I'm yet to add is this:
www.cultofmac.com
vs my current phone:
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Well said. I don't know how they have the balls to claim they are years ahead. How long it took them to add cut and paste? Innovation my foot.

Granted, they are good at starting new things but then they always fall behind. Still remember when they switched to x86 architecture, they claimed they have doubled the speed of their Macs, while they have always claimed that the PowerPC Macs were way faster than PCs??

I bought an i7 Sony last year when the fastest MacBook was only i5 based. My Sony Z is full featured with all bells & whistles, full HD screen and yet only weighs 1.7kg, the MacBook Pro weighs a ton. But anyway I digressed. The main reason more people are buying Macs is because they can run Windows. In fact, I need to set up parallel on a MacBook today, so this guy can run his Window only buisness software. I also know anumber of people using their MacBookto run Windows7almost excusively.

I read some where that iphone/ipad sales now consititue over 70% of Apple's profit? No wonder they are scared.
Geek4414 (12000)
1224557 2011-08-22 03:55:00 The Galaxy S was resized to match the iPhone 3G, according to an investigation by the Dutch sister site of Computerworld . . .

. cnet . com/8301-1035_3-20094830-94/apple-may-have-manipulated-images-in-samsung-case/" target="_blank">news . cnet . com


Jon Garrett 2 days ago in reply to fforblack
If Apple had an issue with Samsung's F700 looking too much like their iPhone, they should have taken up the issue at that time but they chose not to . then the Galaxy S came out and still, not a peep from Apple . Now; 4 years later, after Android's very swift and stunning success, apple wants to come out with the copy-cat lawsuits .

If Samsung was copying and ridding the success of the iPhones, why does the Galaxy S II still look like the Galaxy which still looks like the F700 and NOT the iPhone 4? if the Galaxy S II would have looked remotely like the iPhone 4 then yes, apple would have a solid case .



Jon Garrett 2 days ago in reply to Jrmas
Typical apple-fan hypocrisy .

On one hand you go on and on about apple investing money and all their research and development, then on the other hand you say "who made a successful tablet before the ipad"

So what is your argument really about? who made the first tablet or who made the first successful tablet .

Tablets were around long before apple was a household name so apple cannot take credit for inventing it or "innovating" as they like to call it when they copy . apple took the idea and improved on it, dramatically improved on it but why is it OK for apple to take an already existing technology and ideas and build on the foundations of others but others cant do the same with apple technology and ideas?

as for keeping apple in business . , hmm Microsoft saved Apple from bankruptcy once already .
Geek4414 (12000)
1224558 2011-08-22 06:28:00 Android Stats ... www.androlib.com

Estimated number of Applications downloaded in the Android Market
as at 5:28pm today ...

5,739,887,121
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