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Thread ID: 117618	2011-04-26 22:51:00	OMFG - The Return of Don Brash	Cato (6936)	PC World Chat

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1197521	2011-05-01 02:54:00	+1000 I am sick of these minor parties with there billion$ wish lists voter bribes holding the major parties to ransom. I generally believe NZ would be in a much stronger position if successive governments were not forced to deal with these minor parties. Exactly, too much time wasted in kow-towing to all of them, National has to give 3 cabinet positions to those quivering minor parties. Not much time for Key either, running with Helen on the ant-smacking law. Even with a 99.9% vote for FPP the b u g g e r s ' will still renege. Lurking.	Lurking (218)
1197522	2011-05-01 03:01:00	MMP is a dumb idea we copied from germany. Hell we were killing germans not long ago then we adopt their dumb system. The only reason the germans adopted it was to stop one party from getting to much power to govern alone like the National Socialist Party in the early 30s Believe there is a strong contender waiting in the wings, he being the current defence minister I believe !. Lurking.	Lurking (218)
1197523	2011-05-01 03:20:00	Exactly, too much time wasted in kow-towing to all of them, National has to give 3 cabinet positions to those quivering minor parties. Not much time for Key either, running with Helen on the ant-smacking law. Even with a 99.9% vote for FPP the b u g g e r s ' will still renege. Lurking. But referendums are not binding on the Govt. Therefore I fail to see why they even bother to ask what the people want.	Snorkbox (15764)
1197524	2011-05-01 04:58:00	But referendums are not binding on the Govt. Therefore I fail to see why they even bother to ask what the people want. Quite agree they are a total waste of money as they have never taken any notice. We have had one for the reduction in the number of MP's and one on the anti-smacking bill and with both they ignored the wishes of the people. NZFirst from memory was the only party that wanted to make them binding.	mikebartnz (21)
1197525	2011-05-01 09:39:00	Quite agree they are a total waste of money as they have never taken any notice. We have had one for the reduction in the number of MP's and one on the anti-smacking bill and with both they ignored the wishes of the people. NZFirst from memory was the only party that wanted to make them binding. I thought so too but its not quite as simple as that. Most Citizens Initiated Referendums have failed to get enough signatures, or been withdrawn. A total of 33 petitions have been launched since 1993 on a wide range of topics. Only three have come to a vote, because all the other proposals failed to gain enough signatures to force a referendum. The target number for signatures is the key to looking at the initiative proposed by citizens. en.wikipedia.org	Winston001 (3612)
1197526	2011-05-01 10:14:00	I thought so too but its not quite as simple as that. Most Citizens Initiated Referendums have failed to get enough signatures, or been withdrawn. A total of 33 petitions have been launched since 1993 on a wide range of topics. Only three have come to a vote, because all the other proposals failed to gain enough signatures to force a referendum. The target number for signatures is the key to looking at the initiative proposed by citizens. en.wikipedia.org I am not surprised most didn't get the numbers as most I had not even heard of.:stare:	mikebartnz (21)
1197527	2011-05-01 10:35:00	CIRs though are different to those actually initiated by the Govt as in passed out with the voting papers.	Snorkbox (15764)
1197528	2011-05-01 10:50:00	CIRs though are different to those actually initiated by the Govt as in passed out with the voting papers. Absolutely and those type of referenda have a good success rate - going back to 1883. Liquor licences, compulsory military training, off-course betting, six o'clock closing, 3 year parliamentary term, etc So its misleading to think governments ignore referendums. They react - but not every time.	Winston001 (3612)
1197529	2011-05-01 10:53:00	Absolutely and those type of referenda have a good success rate - going back to 1883. Liquor licences, compulsory military training, off-course betting, six o'clock closing, 3 year parliamentary term, etc So its misleading to think governments ignore referendums. They react - but not every time. Yep. It's the "not every time" bit that makes them non-binding.	Snorkbox (15764)
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