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Thread ID: 117692	2011-04-29 10:58:00	Simon Power and his right-wing BS on the copyright bill	braindead (1685)	PC World Chat

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1198425	2011-05-02 21:54:00	I said he is the only teenager I know that does not torrent, I bet even the politicians kids download illegally. The media companies if they got together and created an alternative to torrents that was easy to use, priced at the right level they would make more money than they are loosing now Sorry, misread that. There are many places where you can download movies legally, for a price of course. But if someone can get something for nothing they do it and this bill is designed to discourage that and make people think about what they are doing.	Safari (3993)
1198426	2011-05-02 23:32:00	they would make more money than they are loosing now That's another lie they like to spread around... they're NOT losing money, they are still making a large profit even with piracy. They just want more because they're greedy. And remember, Piracy ≠ Lost Sale A lot of people who pirate wouldn't have bought the game anyway if they couldn't have pirated it.	Agent_24 (57)
1198427	2011-05-03 00:11:00	That's another lie they like to spread around... they're NOT losing money, they are still making a large profit even with piracy. They just want more because they're greedy. And remember, Piracy ≠ Lost Sale A lot of people who pirate wouldn't have bought the game anyway if they couldn't have pirated it. So because they would not have bought the game and want it anyway they steal it. And because a lot of people do it it must be OK. If people did not download illegal content we would not need a law against it would we?	Snorkbox (15764)
1198428	2011-05-03 00:19:00	I never said it was OK, I was saying that just because someone pirates something, doesn't mean the shop has lost a sale. If they pirated it = they don't buy it If they don't pirate = they don't buy it Either way, the shop would never have got their money, therefore, anyone complaining that piracy always = lost sales is doing so to make the situation sound worse than it really is. Yes, some people would buy it if they couldn't pirate, but not everyone. Then of course as I always say, downloading of a copyrighted works is not black and white - some may do it to get a replacement copy of something they previously purchased (as I have done myself, and which I do not consider to be piracy) They may want to try the full product before buying, without being restricted by a demo\trial which may not provide them with an accurate view of the product, or there may be no demo\trial available. The product may not be available in their country for some reason, and thus downloading is the only way to get it, if the copyright holder is going to complain about that they're idiots, if the person wants to buy but is unable Not to mention the massive amounts of money poured into Anti-piracy and copyright protection schemes, ALL of which have so far been cracked (eventually) Why don't these people just give up making copy protection schemes? BECAUSE IT MAKES MONEY FOR THEM So for some compaines: PIRACY = MONEY	Agent_24 (57)
1198429	2011-05-03 00:21:00	So because they would not have bought the game and want it anyway they steal it. And because a lot of people do it it must be OK. If people did not download illegal content we would not need a law against it would we? People used to pirate stuff way before the internet came along, it has just made it easier EDIT: not just games	Gobe1 (6290)
1198430	2011-05-03 01:22:00	...Then of course as I always say, downloading of a copyrighted works is not black and white - some may do it to get a replacement copy of something they previously purchased (as I have done myself, and which I do not consider to be piracy) They may want to try the full product before buying, without being restricted by a demo\trial which may not provide them with an accurate view of the product, or there may be no demo\trial available. The product may not be available in their country for some reason, and thus downloading is the only way to get it, if the copyright holder is going to complain about that they're idiots, if the person wants to buy but is unableAll of those are illegal. While you may consider that to be OK from a purely moral perspective, you are still infringing on the copyright. Perhaps the copyright owner doesn't want demos to be available, or doesn't want to sell their product in your territory - that is their right. You are not entitled to their product - it's their product! Likewise they may offer a free replacement if you lose the use of yours, but they may also decide that if you lost it or damaged it, then it's your own fault, and are fully entitled to charge you for a replacement (or refuse to replace it at all). Not to mention the massive amounts of money poured into Anti-piracy and copyright protection schemes, ALL of which have so far been cracked (eventually)Most, not all, have been cracked. That said, the ones that haven't are generally because nobody cares about the protected content in question, rather than because it was uncrackable. I'm with you completely on this point - DRM is a bloody waste of time, and inconveniences legitimate customers far more than pirates. I personally strip the DRM off any file I purchase, largely because having paid for it, I want to be able to actually use the content, and I don't want to lose control of it at some later date if the DRM scheme has flaws, or servers go offline etc. Why don't these people just give up making copy protection schemes? BECAUSE IT MAKES MONEY FOR THEMOnly in some cases. In many cases, the DRM is only there because the copyright owner is having issues transferring their business model to take modern technology into account, and is trying to create artificial scarcity.	Erayd (23)
1198431	2011-05-03 01:49:00	I would boycott this coming election simply because there is no one who I can trust in this bunch of greedy politicians! As much as I like JK, I am very disappointed in the Nats, so many policies coming into play that are just too unfair to me, so I am contemplating voting for Brash, because I know he will rev up the playing field!	SolMiester (139)
1198432	2011-05-03 02:14:00	If they pirated it = they don't buy it If they don't pirate = they don't buy it this is just absolute BS Most of the gamers I know dont buy games that can be pirated. If they couldnt pirate they would buy. Its just that simple They wouldn't buy ALL these games, but would definitly buy the games worth having But on the other side.... Software & Music are the few products that cant be returned if they are complete lemons. I rarely now buy a CD unless I have heard the whole thing 1st. I have 100's (many 100's) of CD's that were 1 or 2 good songs & all the rest just crap. Why cant I return these substandard CD's ?? The record company must have known how bad they were, but sold them anyway. This is why CD sales may be down, the newer generation are smarter & just buy what songs they want off Itunes etc. Why pay for 'filler' This anti piracy thing needs to be a 2 way thing. The companies must accept product returns of crap CD's, DVD's, & games.	1101 (13337)
1198433	2011-05-03 02:29:00	this is just absolute BS Most of the gamers I know dont buy games that can be pirated. If they couldnt pirate they would buy. Its just that simple They wouldn't buy ALL these games, but would definitly buy the games worth having What about people who can't afford to buy every game? New releases aren't exactly cheap. They wouldn't be able to purchase all the games even if they wanted to. What if you discovered a game but years after it was published, and couldn't buy it anywhere? Try finding older games at most games stores now. They only sell stuff released in the past 2 years or so. Sure you can buy second hand but the game developer is not going to make any money on that sale either. As you also said, some stuff is just crap, why would you buy games that aren't good? Maybe you want to pirate first, and buy later if the thing is worth it. Every single game I have bought I either played first as a demo, at a LAN cafe or a copy first, decided it was awesome and bought it. If I had thought the game was crap, I wouldn't buy it. For example: Star Wars, the Force Unleashed - played that at my friends house and I'm very very glad I didn't buy it. Then there is DRM as you say... and I hate Steam. bought Half Life 2 and regretted it the moment I tried to run the game and it said I had to download ~1GB of updates first. **** you Valve, I bought the game TODAY, and I want to play it. TODAY. NOT in 17 hours because your servers are so damn slow.	Agent_24 (57)
1198434	2011-05-03 05:52:00	Another slant on IP "evidence" - slightly different to the copyright issue but perhaps relevant nonetheless. i.e. Lawyers and their dirty tricks. After botched child porn raid, judge sees the light on IP addresses (arstechnica.com)	braindead (1685)
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