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Thread ID: 117684	2011-04-29 02:56:00	What Sports Team To Cheer For?	Ulsterman (12815)	PC World Chat

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1198302	2011-05-02 01:39:00	Thank you for that. But how do you know? Is there a list somewhere? A website perhaps? What if I lived in Kaitaia or Blenheim, for example? How would I know who to cheer for? Blenheim, Nelson, Westcoast South Canterbury & Canterbury are all part of the Crusaders Franchise or Catchment if you like:clap.	Arnie (6624)
1198303	2011-05-02 19:17:00	Thanks, Alex. That's a good start. My remaining problem are the other sports - netball and basketball are two examples. How do I discover who the Mystics and Southern Sting represent? Ever heard of Google? The netball teams location is in wikipedia for example, took me about five seconds to find.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1198304	2011-05-02 21:49:00	Ever heard of Google? The netball teams location is in wikipedia for example, took me about five seconds to find. Pine-o-cleen asked the same question to which I replied that it is nowhere as near as interesting as posting the question here. Look at the reaction I recieved from you, for example. The comments and comebacks are much more interesting and enlivening than Wikipedia.	Ulsterman (12815)
1198305	2011-05-02 23:43:00	None of them, who cares?	Agent_24 (57)
1198306	2011-05-03 01:55:00	None of them, who cares? I do agree. Who does care? But the point that I was trying to make - that seemed to be lost on the majority - was that if you are the sort of person who is passionate about their particular sport, wouldn't you want other people to be interested, even if just a little bit? Instead of making things difficult for the not-so-keen amongst us by not saying that the Blues play for Auckland (for example) by not mentioning the Auckland part, you might think that, if they were keen on their sport, they would want to advertise the fact that the Blues play for Auckland and therefore encouraging the not-so-keen-but-vaguely-interested Aucklanders to take more interest by letting them know who's who, rather than suggesting that if you really do want to know who's who you will have to go to Google because those passionate sports people have no intention of letting you into their secret. So the question is: If you are really passionate about your sport, would you not want to encourage others to share some of that passion? Then why not call the team the Auckland Blues? No more mystery. If you are only vaguely interested in sport you may not be interested enough to go and search on Google. It would be easier if the teams were easily identified. But it does not seem that that is going to happen so all of us not-so-interested people might just as well ignore the whole sports world and go and do something a lot more interesting.	Ulsterman (12815)
1198307	2011-05-04 05:44:00	If the teams are professional, then it is a business, and generally a very profitable business, but don't call it sport because the participants are not playing for pleasure, they are working in their paid employment. They are working in exactly the same way as actors and actresses in a film are working, and they are grossly overpaid for it. Yes they are enjoying the money, who wouldn't enjoy the obscene amounts that many of them are paid	KenESmith (6287)
1198308	2011-05-04 08:42:00	None- They are all commercialised, and with commercialisation sport goes out the window. To Quote Gary Mull, The former secretary of the IOR. "The relationship between sport and commercialism is the same as that between true love and prostitution, with one small difference, Prostitution is more honest, it does not pretend to be anything that it isn't". and his other great quote, on the issue "To those who say a little commercialisation is perfectly OK, there is no such thing as being slightly pregnant" Commercialism destroyed offshore racing as a participant sport for hundreds of very good offshore sailors, especially in Europe. Who can afford to put their tax paid dollars up against a commercial interest's pre-tax dollars" What's "IOR" stand for ? Good quotes tho' KenE! Oh, and remember - "Divers do it deeper!!" - I'm passionate about my sport!	tuiruru (12277)
1198309	2011-05-05 08:39:00	IOR - International Offshore Racing - The IOR Rule was used for handicapping offshore racing yachts, so they could race against each other, taking into account Overall length, waterline length, Beam, Sail area and many other factors. The first IOR Secretary was the yacht designer Olin Stevens of Sparkman and Stevens, Gary Mull was his successor on his retirement. I was actively off shore racing in Europe when Commercialisation first attacked the sport through sponsorship ( Sailed in an Admirals Cup, and 2 x World 3/4 ton Cups for UK as well as doing a Full RORC season and Solent Points and BLRA series for over 9 years (as a Kiwi)-Our boat, Black Arrow, won Division 4 in the infamous 1979 Fastnet race - Ron Holland and Tony Bouzaid (Chris' brother) were actively sailing in UK in those days. Commercialisation by sponsorship saw RORC (Royal Ocean Racing Club) Fleets drop from over 250 yachts racing in 30 plus hour races each alternate weekend to average fleets of round 60 in less than 3 seasons - why should anyone want to put their tax paid pounds up against some companies' pre-taxed pounds? Commercialism and genuine amateur sport are incompatible - it destroyed the most internationally competitive offshore racing in a relatively short time thus depriving thousands of competent young sailors from developing their sailing skills and realising their true potential. The Admiral's Cup remains, as does The America's Cup but they have degenerated into Sponsorship series for relatively few participants. One sponsors money up against other sponsors - don't pretend this is genuine sport.	KenESmith (6287)
1198310	2011-05-05 09:00:00	IOR - International Offshore Racing - The IOR Rule was used for handicapping offshore racing yachts, so they could race against each other, taking into account Overall length, waterline length, Beam, Sail area and many other factors. The first IOR Secretary was the yacht designer Olin Stevens of Sparkman and Stevens, Gary Mull was his successor on his retirement. I was actively off shore racing in Europe when Commercialisation first attacked the sport through sponsorship ( Sailed in an Admirals Cup, and 2 x World 3/4 ton Cups for UK as well as doing a Full RORC season and Solent Points and BLRA series for over 9 years (as a Kiwi)-Our boat, Black Arrow, won Division 4 in the infamous 1979 Fastnet race - Ron Holland and Tony Bouzaid (Chris' brother) were actively sailing in UK in those days. Commercialisation by sponsorship saw RORC (Royal Ocean Racing Club) Fleets drop from over 250 yachts racing in 30 plus hour races each alternate weekend to average fleets of round 60 in less than 3 seasons - why should anyone want to put their tax paid pounds up against some companies' pre-taxed pounds? Commercialism and genuine amateur sport are incompatible - it destroyed the most internationally competitive offshore racing in a relatively short time thus depriving thousands of competent young sailors from developing their sailing skills and realising their true potential. The Admiral's Cup remains, as does The America's Cup but they have degenerated into Sponsorship series for relatively few participants. One sponsors money up against other sponsors - don't pretend this is genuine sport. Thanks KenE - often on these forums you ask a genuine question and it doesn't get a response. A Fastnet survivor eh? That must have been a really intimidating experience - I remember watching the footage on TV.	tuiruru (12277)
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