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Thread ID: 117812	2011-05-06 02:53:00	Australia fudging there Unemploment numbers, its more like 9% ?	Battleneter2 (9361)	PC World Chat

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1199774	2011-05-06 02:53:00	I was browsing Bloomberg and notice this article state the number of people on disability in Aus is 800,000. That seems outrageous for a country of 22 million people so I crossed checked 800K and it appears correct!. www.bloomberg.com I checked how many Kiwis on sickness benefits 60K www.nzherald.co.nz Australia is "roughly" 5X NZ population so to compare the NZ benefit to Aus by (5x60,000 = 300K). It "appears" compared to NZ Australia has a massive 500,000 more people on there version of sickness benefit than NZ proportionately speaking. The "official"Aus unemployment rate is 4.9% (592,000 people). Now if you add on that extra 500K on disability the Aus unemployment rate is more like 9.0% Very interesting I thought, where is the NZ media on this one?	Battleneter2 (9361)
1199775	2011-05-06 03:21:00	9% of 22 million is 1.98 mill - your math is broken. Generally they class Unemployment as those aged between (well in NZ anyways) 18 - 64 who are ready for work now, excluding health benefits.	lordnoddy (3645)
1199776	2011-05-06 03:25:00	9% of 22 million is 1.98 mill - your math is broken. lol nice try, so a 2 year old can get a job :) , not all 22mill are in the work force Just to add, my math is solid, there are about 10mil in the Aus workforce www.dfat.gov.au	Battleneter2 (9361)
1199777	2011-05-06 03:26:00	Yeah I'm aware - See edit.	lordnoddy (3645)
1199778	2011-05-06 10:03:00	NZ isn't really telling the truth at the moment either. How many people in ChCh aren't included in the unemployment.	mikebartnz (21)
1199779	2011-05-06 23:20:00	NZ isn't really telling the truth at the moment either. How many people in ChCh aren't included in the unemployment. I thought someone would say that, us good old kiwis will bag ourselves before thinking anything is wrong is Aus ah :P. Its not clear how much employment has been lost in CHCH, and its a very recent major event with the government response being pretty sensible, you cant seriously knock the government for that. On the other hand Australia has been cooking there figures for 5+ years and its probably a deliberate move, there welfare agency moving people off unemployment into disability to lower the unemployment number. I also believe the disability 800K is removed from the official workforce numbers making there employment participation numbers look a lot better.	Battleneter2 (9361)
1199780	2011-05-07 01:09:00	I thought someone would say that, us good old kiwis will bag ourselves before thinking anything is wrong is Aus ah :P. Its not clear how much employment has been lost in CHCH, and its a very recent major event with the government response being pretty sensible, you cant seriously knock the government for that. It is still fudging the figures when you have people on a special benefit but are technically unemployed and what is this crap about bagging ourselves. It's just a bit of truth. On the other hand Australia has been cooking there figures for 5+ years and its probably a deliberate move, there welfare agency moving people off unemployment into disability to lower the unemployment number. The Labour Govt did the same thing here by moving certain unemployed onto a sickness benefit.	mikebartnz (21)
1199781	2011-05-07 02:24:00	[QUOTE=mikebartnz;1015360 The Labour Govt did the same thing here by moving certain unemployed onto a sickness benefit.[/QUOTE] Sickness is counted as unemployed here. Invalids may not be. As for unemployment figures, you are not counted if you work - even if that is seasonal or 15 hrs a week. So really we have higher employment too, not counting Ch/ch.	pctek (84)
1199782	2011-05-07 02:59:00	Sickness is counted as unemployed here. Invalids may not be. As for unemployment figures, you are not counted if you work - even if that is seasonal or 15 hrs a week. So really we have higher employment too, not counting Ch/ch. It may have been the invalids benefit I can't remember but whatever it was they were moved off the unemployment.	mikebartnz (21)
1199783	2011-05-07 03:33:00	It may have been the invalids benefit I can't remember but whatever it was they were moved off the unemployment. I remember that. It was Helen Clark's way of fiddling the unemployed numbers by moving them to another type of benefit. I'm pretty sure it was the sickness benefit as well..	paulw (1826)
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