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Thread ID: 118150	2011-05-21 11:03:00	Jailing Addicts	Twelvevolts (5457)	PC World Chat

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1204112	2011-05-22 03:23:00	Quite frankly I have seen enough people screwing with their brains on P not to want to see any more. I have an old school friend who had an excellent job and a good life go down the drain because of drugs and I don't see the methadone treatment being all that great. I agree entirely. I still think that having regulated access (and advice) available for those that want it, is preferable to having a criminal distribution chain that is solely interested in shifting more product and squashing any competition.	fred_fish (15241)
1204113	2011-05-22 03:29:00	Concentrate of getting rid of the pushers and suppliers from the supply line. Send the users off to boot camp to be educated. Throughout the world, countless billions have been spent trying that and all to no avail. I suspect it would be far cheaper to fix or help those that become addicted under the open slather method.	Cicero (40)
1204114	2011-05-22 03:33:00	I agree entirely. I still think that having regulated access (and advice) available for those that want it, is preferable to having a criminal distribution chain that is solely interested in shifting more product and squashing any competition. As I said the methadone treatment isn't all that great and it is regulated etc. so what makes you think it would really be better your way because I doubt it. Didn't we try the free needles thing without a lot of success.	mikebartnz (21)
1204115	2011-05-22 03:50:00	As I said the methadone treatment isn't all that great and it is regulated etc. so what makes you think it would really be better your way because I doubt it. Didn't we try the free needles thing without a lot of success. The methodone programme is the 'ambulance at the bottom of the cliff', and is also just a treatment for the addiction, not a drug that people want to take. The free needles thing was purely about reducing the spread of AIDS and other blood borne infections, from re-use and sharing. They are also hampered by the fact that taking part identifies you as someone involved in a 'criminal activity'. The basic problem is that the drugs (that people are taking anyway) are being supplied and 'marketed' by people who have no interest whatsoever in the wellbeing of their customers. The current system does not work to prevent such cases as you mention, and arguably causes more harm because of the criminalisation of users, and I think modern society can do better.	fred_fish (15241)
1204116	2011-05-22 04:11:00	Done that, let me know when you catch up. Somehow I doubt it, If you did then you would be aware of how how hard drugs burn everyone who plays with em and you would understand the need for controls.	Metla (12)
1204117	2011-05-22 04:12:00	Throughout the world, countless billions have been spent trying that and all to no avail. I suspect it would be far cheaper to fix or help those that become addicted under the open slather method. What gives you the idea they can be fixed or helped? People on the methadone program aren't being fixed, they are broken beyond repair and will be until their ruined drug addicted bodies and fried brains give up completely. Just write them off and keep efforts up to stop their numbers from growing.	Metla (12)
1204118	2011-05-22 04:15:00	g part identifies you as someone involved in a 'criminal activity'. The basic problem is that the drugs (that people are taking anyway) are being supplied and 'marketed' by people who have no interest whatsoever in the well being of their customers. The current system does not work to prevent such cases as you mention, and arguably causes more harm because of the criminalisation of users, and I think modern society can do better. The basic problem is that drugs burn your brain, the harder the drugs the bigger the burn. And...uh.....well being of their customers? Who would you then nominate to be the new P dealers?....The Salvation army?	Metla (12)
1204119	2011-05-22 04:39:00	What is the logic behind jailing drug addicts, surely they need medical attention not a jail sentence. This is the same logic that holds in New Zealand so the same thing would happen here, except out sensible sentencing friends would likely make the sentence fifteen years. I agree, and in fact that is what they did in Portugal 10 years ago and it works well. www.cocaineresearch.org Portugal 10 years ago completely decriminalized all drugs. Turns out drug-use rates are down all across the board. Crime is down too. Portugal’s move was decried by other countries at the time. They were told it would never work and crime would shoot through the roof. The exact opposite happened	Agent_24 (57)
1204120	2011-05-22 04:45:00	You abolish drug laws and then your get rampant addiction within society, The laws were brought in to address that very situation. Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it, drugs **** peoples heads, Sure they will never be eradicated, But giving the populace approval to partake is sheer stupidity and will cause more problems then it could ever solve, Not that it would solve a single problem. Go hang out with some junkies if you think its such a good thing. There is fairly clear evidence that free availability of drugs doesn't cause rampant addiction, indeed making drugs illegal appears to cause many more problems than it solves. And as far as why drug laws were bought in, it was not from my reading of history because of a rampant addiction problem. But if I follow your argument correctly, you believe people should be protected from drugs because they are harmful and stuff up their life, but if they choose to use them and get caught then they should be thrown in jail for good and stuff up their life. Not quite following your logic there.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1204121	2011-05-22 04:56:00	The basic problem is that drugs burn your brain, the harder the drugs the bigger the burn. And...uh.....well being of their customers? Who would you then nominate to be the new P dealers?....The Salvation army? I think we are trying to push something uphill here Metla.	mikebartnz (21)
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