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| Thread ID: 118328 | 2011-05-30 20:55:00 | Economics Rant | pctek (84) | PC World Chat |
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| 1205693 | 2011-05-31 02:02:00 | LOL, you are of course forgetting the increase in population since the 70's and the influx of foreigners taking up a lot of jobs....oh and please tell me why is it, the plebs always go on about management....They are there because they are skills and direct the company, something that plebs cant do. If we dont pay management for their training and skills, they will go elsewhere, company folds and the plebs have NO job period. We all know we cannot compete in factories with the likes of China, the world is a very small place now...not like the 70's.....We need skilled, trained workers that create.....ie: film, software, new products....what is the point in factories where are product is competing against the likes of India, China, Africa etc?... yes effective management will help grow the business therefore requiring more workers. But if the jobs are not there how can you reduce the amount of beneficiaries? |
gary67 (56) | ||
| 1205694 | 2011-05-31 02:05:00 | There are over 9500 jobs on TradeMe Jobs alone right now, 1500 of them in the IT sector. Fact is there's a lot of people who are picky about jobs. Don't want to wake up at 4AM to be work in a bakery because they want to sleep in, so will take hand-outs from the Govt until then. No, screw you, you can bloody well wake up early and go to work! While my self-employment was failing, I was tempted to go hop on the benefit. It wasn't specifically *easy* but there wasn't a lot to it. Went along to one of the seminars even, just for the hell of it to see what its like. I could have done over 3/4 of the jobs that were there and on-offer, but half were either not in my direct area, or just things I simply couldn't be bothered doing. I could do them, but chose not to. I got myself a job in IT instead through a referral from a friend. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1205695 | 2011-05-31 02:21:00 | John Key's choice of 1970 is very carefully contrived. There was no DPB in 1970. It was first introduced in 1974. Consequently not hard to play the negativity game. |
leonidas5 (2306) | ||
| 1205696 | 2011-05-31 02:37:00 | No I'm not. Back then loads of Pacific Islanders were imported/imported themselves and staffed a lot of them. Now we have different immigrants - who mostly buy a shop of some sort because they have to. And management, hmm, yes. I have had 3 managers who didn't have the slightest idea of what they were doing. Seriously. One of them - his company went into receivership. It doesn't necessarily mean all managers are highly skilled and smart and all workers are thick plebs who should shut up be grateful to be employed. Anyway, regardless, unless we increase our sales to overseas of something useful, nothing will make any difference. Yes, new immigrants are buying shops that local kiwis may have bought to employ more kiwis....Indian & Chinese especially...No use in factories if we dont have anything worth selling overseas that isnt undercut...and frankly, the plebs are just mostly jealous of management whether or not they think the managers skilled or otherwise... And IMO, most plebs are thick, otherwise they wouldn't be plebs now would they! |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 1205697 | 2011-05-31 03:00:00 | You are right pctek. In the 70's you could buy a product,more than likely made locally, sure it was dearer, but if it broke you could have it repaired.Now you buy a cheaper product and if it breaks you buy a new one. We had 'protectionism' then.People paid highly for imported goods, but people were employed,there's a lot to be said for someone leaning on a shovel at the side of the road rather than someone getting ready to burglarise your home. It's all very well for fat politicians sitting around a table telling others that they need to work for $13.00 while they stuff them selves at the publics expense.Just look at their super scheme $2.50 for every dollar they put in. No wonder John Banks wants back in. Are we really that much better off without any kind of trade tariffs ? Roger is he got a knighthood !! Polly's should have a used by date after two terms, they should be made to get a 'Real' job. I'm sick of being told to tighten my belt,whilst you get a new BMW to drive around,whilst you get a car for your personal use (or designated person) to use and we pick up any costs of repairs...Ask brother Bill about his car repairs. No we have too many polly's,doing 9/10 th's of not very much... get the rope I say. |
ruup (1827) | ||
| 1205698 | 2011-05-31 03:20:00 | Anyway, regardless, unless we increase our sales to overseas of something useful, nothing will make any difference. Whats the real diff between NZ & say a Fiji or Samoa We sell a few more butters & meat. Agricultural based economies are historically rather poor. About time we stopped pretending NZ is a Rich economy with $$ to burn. Near bottom of the OECD for as long as I can remember. Nothing has changed. |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1205699 | 2011-05-31 03:25:00 | there's a lot of people who are picky about jobs It's easy to blame people for not having jobs - lack of a work ethic, not trained, poor education, lacking self confidence, person unable to present themselves, moral qualms about prostitution, etc . But why go down that route? Instead of pre-deciding that the unemployed are themselves to blame, blame the economic system that does not have a fundamental requirement for labour Economic theory is based on supply and demand . When there is no demand for a product, we're supposed to stop supplying it . That's what happened after the second world war when hats became unfashionable . There was no point in dropping the price of hats - people just didn't want them . It's the same with labour today . Employers simply don't want people . They would much rather deal with an impersonal contract or a piece of machinery, or to sell on the web and employ no-one . Labour has simply gone out of fashion . Nobody really wants to buy it . Following economic theory, if there is no demand for labour we should stop supplying it . This is of course impossible . So what should we do? The answer is to change the economic system . Get a new system where labour enters the equations at a fundamental level and is not a hit-and-miss by-product as at present |
BBCmicro (15761) | ||
| 1205700 | 2011-05-31 03:42:00 | That's why I'm saying there's 10,000 jobs available on a single website. I'm saying that the human side of supply and demand needs to change. Yes, machines are more effective than humans in a lot of things, but then you need somebody to build those machines, to fix them when they break, to consult on their installation etc etc. It's easy to be picky when you know you've got a cushion of the Govt to fall back on. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1205701 | 2011-05-31 03:48:00 | I always find it humorous when I see people complain that there aren't enough jobs, as if it is the governments responsibility to Magic up some jobs. Instead of complaining there aren't enough jobs for people, go make some jobs for people. | inphinity (7274) | ||
| 1205702 | 2011-05-31 03:58:00 | If we dont pay management for their training and skills, they will go elsewhere, company folds and the plebs have NO job period. Quality workers are equally important to a business. Without good workers you haven't got a business either and a good manager knows that. I have seen a business sold to new owners turn over three quarters of the staff in the first year because of bad management. Think of all the extra training costs incurred and disruption that year because of poor management |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
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