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Thread ID: 118304	2011-05-28 23:53:00	Only in NZ	Metla (12)	PC World Chat

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1205480	2011-05-28 23:53:00	The poison in our society continues to spread. The way to address a problem is for those affected by it to accept ownership of it personally and change their ways. The way not to deal with it is to create a fantasy world where its everybody elses fault, and thus justify the behavior. www.stuff.co.nz Even the headline is part of the delusion, why not expose this for what it is? That's our money being spent, to poison child abusers against us.	Metla (12)
1205481	2011-05-29 00:46:00	It must be quite a relief for them to realise, it is not their fault at all, but it is our fault, so next time they are beating the crap of some baby for simply being there, they can say, it's dem whities that made me do it. Pitiful.	Cicero (40)
1205482	2011-05-29 01:40:00	There's one academic at least who doesn't use rose-tinted glasses to look at history: However, the report has been criticised for painting too rosy a picture of pre-European times. Maori history professor Paul Moon, of Auckland University of Technology, dismissed the idea abuse began after the Europeans came. "The proposition that missionaries introduced violence, it's one of those allegations that entered the historical bloodstream and once it's in that bloodstream, it's hard to get out. I would want to see evidence." He cited the fact Maori girls were sometimes killed because they were considered less useful than males. "If children were treated as sacred items, how do you explain female infanticide?" Moon said the report's reliance on oral histories and lullabies also raised doubts over its reliability. Giving an excuse to maori who are practising child abuse is not solving anything. We are all living in the 21st century, with all the education and modern conveniences that go with a modern civilised society. (It's not a perfect system, but it's a damn sight better than what was here 250 years ago!) These maori who are being excused by the author of this stupid report (Dr Hone Kaa - is that a maori qualification before your name? I don't think so!) were brought up in the same society that they currently live in and have absolutely no excuse for not knowing what is acceptable and not acceptable in terms of today's society and values. It's time to look forward and get on with things, instead of looking backwards and finding excuses and reasons for misbehaving (and killing kids)!!	johcar (6283)
1205483	2011-05-29 22:18:00	What I observe around town in terms of the extreme ends of parenting are parents that sit on their butts and bellow out instructions, threats and abuse to their kids. The kids naturally are saturated with this every day and have learnt to ignore it and accept it as normal... then it filters through into teens behaviour. Stuff like "Come here or I'll kill you" (or whack you). "Get in the car or I'll kill you". It's almost like the "...I'll kill you" bit is a default tearm of endearment - something you only say with your loved ones... but it sounds terrible every time.	Paul.Cov (425)
1205484	2011-05-29 22:36:00	These maori who are being excused by the author of this stupid report (Dr Hone Kaa - is that a maori qualification before your name? I don't think so!) were brought up in the same society that they currently live in and have absolutely no excuse for not knowing what is acceptable and not acceptable in terms of today's society and values. That comment can hardly be justified. Hone Kaa was the first maori to graduate from Harvard, and earned his doctorate there. :(	WalOne (4202)
1205485	2011-05-29 23:12:00	That comment can hardly be justified. Hone Kaa was the first maori to graduate from Harvard, and earned his doctorate there. :( That doesn't bode well for those that follow. I wonder how Harvard feel about having their brand devalued like that. He should be charged with treason.	Metla (12)
1205486	2011-05-29 23:14:00	What I'm getting at, is that he didn't rely on "historical (maori) methods" to attain that qualification, he used the standard method that most everyone uses - i . e . going to university . Something that would not have been available to him in a "traditional" (maori) setting . He has adapted to current societal norms - and so should the people he is excusing .	johcar (6283)
1205487	2011-05-30 00:24:00	I believe that report as much as I believe Maori were conservationist.:rolleyes:	mikebartnz (21)
1205488	2011-05-30 00:29:00	What I'm getting at, is that he didn't rely on "historical (maori) methods" to attain that qualification, he used the standard method that most everyone uses - i . e . going to university . Something that would not have been available to him in a "traditional" (maori) setting . He has adapted to current societal norms - and so should the people he is excusing . I understood Jo, and the fact is there is nothing to stop one from ending up as an educated idiot . All this PC crapola eminates from these ivory towers .	Cicero (40)
1205489	2011-05-30 00:49:00	All this PC crapola eminates from these ivory towers. I think even American ivory towers would rather say they emanate crapola. :devil	WalOne (4202)
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