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| Thread ID: 118536 | 2011-06-09 08:30:00 | Is there no end to it (2) | tut (12033) | PC World Chat |
| Post ID | Timestamp | Content | User | ||
| 1208049 | 2011-06-10 22:45:00 | Just because I'm against all this Maori language/culture crap doesn't make me a racist - anymore than paying it "lip service" makes you are a moron. | Zippity (58) | ||
| 1208050 | 2011-06-11 00:01:00 | No doubt the frequent application of corporal punishment for anyone who steps out of line is what a real education is about. I can't believe the stupid twists your arguments take.:groan: |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 1208051 | 2011-06-11 00:20:00 | Just because I'm against all this Maori language/culture crap doesn't make me a racist - anymore than paying it "lip service" makes you are a moron. Why is it crap then? This started with a simple greeting in Maori that you got upset about. If you don't want to learn it then that is fine, but you don't have a right to stop other people using it. So I was never forcing anything down your throat, if you don't want to know don't bother to respond to the original post. However your reaction and subsequent posts suggests your response is based on your racist views. What other reason would there be for your reaction about a few words written in Maori? |
Twelvevolts (5457) | ||
| 1208052 | 2011-06-11 00:37:00 | What disturbs me about this is (a) the compulsory nature of learning the Maori language and (b) to what level of fluency, written and spoken will this compulsion be? I have no problem with teachers needing to be culturally aware and have some familiarity with some basic words and phrases and for those who choose to go on and increase their fluency. The Samoan and Tongan people living in New Zealand are asking for official recognition of their language and cultural needs. Does this mean teachers will be in the future compulsory learners of these too? Again this is just another imposition on teachers. Most have more than enough to do: teach, social work, sport/drama/music coaching, preparation, marking, meetings, parents meetings, National Standards, NCEA moderation and assessment: this list of items goes on. I suspect that many who are considering teaching as a career will now look elsewhere. I know if I was a youngster I would be very wary now.What other profession requires compulsory learning of a language for all practitioners? |
leonidas5 (2306) | ||
| 1208053 | 2011-06-11 01:23:00 | When I was at high school I can't remember coming across any maori students that could speak more that a few words of it. If majority of them don't recognise it then why the hell should every skinny white boi? Yes we have a strong cultural background but almost all of it is now irrelevant, just like the Queen. Id rather be taught stuff that's gonna get me through life and being able to understand the odd greeting on the news isn't going to do that | hueybot3000 (3646) | ||
| 1208054 | 2011-06-13 07:22:00 | What disturbs me about this is (a) the compulsory nature of learning the Maori language and (b) to what level of fluency, written and spoken will this compulsion be? I have no problem with teachers needing to be culturally aware and have some familiarity with some basic words and phrases and for those who choose to go on and increase their fluency. The Samoan and Tongan people living in New Zealand are asking for official recognition of their language and cultural needs. Does this mean teachers will be in the future compulsory learners of these too? Again this is just another imposition on teachers. Most have more than enough to do: teach, social work, sport/drama/music coaching, preparation, marking, meetings, parents meetings, National Standards, NCEA moderation and assessment: this list of items goes on. I suspect that many who are considering teaching as a career will now look elsewhere. I know if I was a youngster I would be very wary now.What other profession requires compulsory learning of a language for all practitioners? Good points leonidas!! |
tuiruru (12277) | ||
| 1208055 | 2011-06-14 05:21:00 | The crazy aspect of this is that it was proposed that the Maori Language for teachers was to a tertiary level. Well two things, define what tertiary level they want, first, second or third year, and then be mindful that students have to pay their own tertiary fees, and secondly, if the student is doing an Arts or Science degree, as part of their teaching speciality, what subjects that are useful in the teaching profession that should be dropped, to learn a near dead language in whch fewer than 50,000 people worldwide can speak fluently. In the past New Zealand has benefited from the services of many overseas trained teachers, is the nation going to exclude these pre-qualified people who have not cost the NZ taxpayer a cent in training costs, from teaching in NZ schools. |
KenESmith (6287) | ||
| 1208056 | 2011-06-14 07:33:00 | Just watch more people go to aussie where they think they are escaping most of this bullshit. | rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
| 1208057 | 2011-06-14 12:00:00 | Do they have compulsory Aborigine language classes for kids in Australia? Do their teachers have to learn the Aborigine language (to any sort of level, let alone tertiary level) before they can stand in front of a class? |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 1208058 | 2011-06-14 23:29:00 | The Samoan and Tongan people living in New Zealand are asking for official recognition of their language and cultural needs . Does this mean teachers will be in the future compulsory learners of these too? You can guarantee if they do that the translator gravy train in the courts and parliament will soon follow . |
paulw (1826) | ||
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