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| Thread ID: 118778 | 2011-06-20 15:31:00 | Parallels? | Snorkbox (15764) | PC World Chat |
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| 1210815 | 2011-06-20 15:31:00 | I have become somewhat curious having read this. news.yahoo.com Then too we have a high Maori population in NZ Prisons for some reason. Has anyone researched the percentage of native american indians in prisons compared to other US citizens? US Indians were put in reservations way back much like Australian Aborigines were at one time and it's the similar story today. While I lived in Australia for some 12 years I only met one Aborigine there to talk to on a regular basis and he was a great guy who I used to have in my place regularly. |
Snorkbox (15764) | ||
| 1210816 | 2011-06-20 20:07:00 | I have become somewhat curious having read this. news.yahoo.com Then too we have a high Maori population in NZ Prisons for some reason. Has anyone researched the percentage of native american indians in prisons compared to other US citizens? US Indians were put in reservations way back much like Australian Aborigines were at one time and it's the similar story today. While I lived in Australia for some 12 years I only met one Aborigine there to talk to on a regular basis and he was a great guy who I used to have in my place regularly. It seems most savage race's are attach to their past,why they can't move with times,I know not. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1210817 | 2011-06-21 00:52:00 | It seems most savage race's are attach to their past,why they can't move with times,I know not. The white man in Aussie was pretty savage. They used to go on Abo hunts like we would a rabbit hunt. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 1210818 | 2011-06-21 03:37:00 | The white man in Aussie was pretty savage. They used to go on Abo hunts like we would a rabbit hunt. My point was, we move on, they don't. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1210819 | 2011-06-21 04:21:00 | Methinks it is always easier to move on once all the desirable land has been stolen by the people who are colonising. Not so easy to move on when you have been left with nothing. If the Nazis had got into England, I doubt the savage natives there would have been sanguine about moving on either. |
John H (8) | ||
| 1210820 | 2011-06-21 04:52:00 | Achtung, snell | gary67 (56) | ||
| 1210821 | 2011-06-21 05:15:00 | I have become somewhat curious having read this. news.yahoo.com Then too we have a high Maori population in NZ Prisons for some reason. Has anyone researched the percentage of native american indians in prisons compared to other US citizens? US Indians were put in reservations way back much like Australian Aborigines were at one time and it's the similar story today. While I lived in Australia for some 12 years I only met one Aborigine there to talk to on a regular basis and he was a great guy who I used to have in my place regularly. I have not done any research into this for years, but when I did in the 1980s, the figures for all indigenous peoples colonised by European powers showed similar trends (this does not cover all of the millions slaughtered by colonisers like the Spanish and Belgians or the impact of diseases for which the indigenous peoples had no immunity - it just reflects the trends for the survivors of the savage phases of colonisation). The negative figures for crime, mental illness, alcoholism, homelessness, poverty, and physical health problems (in the 1980s anyway) were remarkably similar - the negative statistics for indigenous people were all far worse than for the colonising people or later migrants. This covered people like the First Nations peoples in North America, Inuit, Māori, Australian aboriginal, South African native peoples. If you want to look at what has happened in Africa, there is a book called The State of Africa by Martin Meredith, that summarises what happened and is happening in most of the African countries after colonisation came to an end. It is no better. |
John H (8) | ||
| 1210822 | 2011-06-21 05:18:00 | Methinks it is always easier to move on once all the desirable land has been stolen by the people who are colonising. Not so easy to move on when you have been left with nothing. If the Nazis had got into England, I doubt the savage natives there would have been sanguine about moving on either. And how did you manage J without receiving a hand out. The problem also is, where does it end, it seems to me to be never. Like I say, we must move on. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1210823 | 2011-06-21 05:29:00 | I think it’s time people realised that in the animal kingdom some animals are easier to train and say less prone to some diseases than others . As an example let’s take the Dog Family . Look at the different breeds and the difference in strength, size, intelligence, health and longevity as an example . Then look at the mess humans have made by cross-breeding them . Then look at the Cat Family . Some are quite happy to sleep on your knee and some I’d prefer not to . ;) Move onto cattle and any farmer will tell you that a pure bred Jersey is quite and easy animal to handle, but cross it with say an Angus and the progeny will probably chase you out of the paddock and knock down all your fences . As humans are just part of the animal kingdom I can’t understand why some humans can’t accept that as with the rest of the animal kingdom, some breed and breed crosses are going to cause you problems . Dealing with the problem is the issue, but in say the case of a farmers dog deciding to kill his sheep, the matter is dealt with quickly and expediently . The dog is not chained to its kennel and fed three times a day either . ;) |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1210824 | 2011-06-21 05:30:00 | @ Cicero, not the rabid raving from BM - Well you see it is much easier if the society you live in is set up according your own culture's rules, and if your culture owns almost all the wealth and land, and runs all of the state's major institutions. I was born in 1945 and didn't have a privileged upbringing or parental wealth, but NZ in those days was all set up for people like me to succeed, even without wealth behind us. The only language of instruction was English, the curriculum and methods of teaching were all basically English (as in imported pedagogy from England), rules of ownership, laws, courts - you name it, all of the aspects of culture in NZ - all were set up according to British ways and British rules. Even for other European migrants like the Dutch (who were favoured migrants here), the values of NZ culture in those days were pretty familiar, and migrants are generally highly motivated to succeed in their new country anyway. My house captain at high school was Māori, and he was very bright. He went to university, but left within a year or so and went to the local freezing works. I went to the same university a few years after him to do a law degree, and there were virtually no Māori there in those days. Almost no women doing a law degree either. I am not surprised that he left - it can't have been a very welcoming environment. I don't know where it will all end either, but I don't think that denial of Māori reality and Māori culture and language is going to help bring about positive change. |
John H (8) | ||
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