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Thread ID: 118962	2011-06-28 23:29:00	Long term tenants in State Housing	prefect (6291)	PC World Chat

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1213038	2011-06-29 04:06:00	Seems amazing to me that they don't know the circumstances of the people living in state housing. They wouldn't even know if some owned properties themselves. They should find out if the tenants own new cars, harleys or boats if they do turf the buggers out.	prefect (6291)
1213039	2011-06-29 04:11:00	if they do turf the buggers out. Not easily done when you consider those three b**ches in the Hutt area have cost about $800,000.	mikebartnz (21)
1213040	2011-06-29 04:13:00	Remember we used to be a Socialist society until we started listening to the ridiculous Americans and their right wing cronies in England with their hand puppet zeolots here in NZ, Roger f...ing Douglas and Richard f...ing Prebble, and destroyed all the work put in here to make an equitable society only to find out now, 30 years hence, that the right wing arch-capitalists didn't know what they were talking about judging from the state of the world economy today. At which time the country was going bankrupt, couldn't afford to pay its way in the world, Industries were wrapped in unrealistic tariffs and heavily supplemented/ protected by the taxpayer, the people were starting to grasp the situation, and massive financial restructuring had to take place. So called rogernomics was bought in because of the problems, not the cause of it. The position we were in was unsustainable. Just like we now need to re-evaluate how much money the country is borrowing and spending, no doubt in 20 years time people will look back and claim they were the good old days.	Metla (12)
1213041	2011-06-29 04:16:00	, 30 years hence, that the right wing arch-capitalists didn't know what they were talking about judging from the state of the world economy today. Though thats true. The great white experiment has failed. Lets see if the Chinese make a better go at running the world.	Metla (12)
1213042	2011-06-29 04:40:00	At which time the country was going bankrupt, You mean to say we aren't in the same position still.;) I think you will find that all that really happened back then is that the family silver got sold for a song and the debt was privatised because our overall debt position in 1990 was far worse than in 1984. With all the dividends etc going overseas I doubt we can ever really get out of the hole we are in.	mikebartnz (21)
1213043	2011-06-29 05:51:00	You mean to say we aren't in the same position still.;) I think you will find that all that really happened back then is that the family silver got sold for a song and the debt was privatised because our overall debt position in 1990 was far worse than in 1984. With all the dividends etc going overseas I doubt we can ever really get out of the hole we are in. I agree Mike. The only hope is to stop spending more than we earn. :eek: It’s real odd isn’t it how these people with bundles of degrees in business management and the like haven’t grasped the fact that if you can’t afford it, you can’t have it. I grew up in a time when a NZ 10/- ($1) was worth two American $’s and the Aus 10/- was only worth 8/- in NZ. Yes, the NZ government insisted that everything worked to budget and one of those budgets insisted that $ wise our imports never exceeded our exports. These days the government is happy to service a huge interest bill, because of the imbalance, but when I look around and see hundreds of thousands of cars sitting on car lots throughout the country just rotting. Why? Given that none were manufactured in NZ every one represents a cost to us taxpayers because they were all imported and therefore help make our imports exceed our exports. But it doesn’t stop there, just look around and see the amount of useless junk that’s imported that nobody wants, it isn’t all cars. Never mind, our politicians are happy to reduce the country to third world status whilst they flit around the world. Once they’ve got their nose in the trough it’s the Devil’s own job to get it out. ;)	B.M. (505)
1213044	2011-06-29 22:44:00	.... I think you will find that all that really happened back then is that the family silver got sold for a song and the debt was privatised because our overall debt position in 1990 was far worse than in 1984. With all the dividends etc going overseas I doubt we can ever really get out of the hole we are in. It wasnt quite that simple there was no need for the NZ Govt to own, Airlines, banks, Steel Mills, Refining plants etc etc etc . these all proved to be turkey's or needing investment the govt couldnt afford. NZ was insolvent when that labour govt came into power Telecom sale was a good idea at the time. the Govt just couldnt run it properly & couldnt afford all the hardware/system upgrades to bring it into the 20th century. Remember Party Lines(no free lines so had to share with neighbours) & 6month waits to get a phone installed ..in AK !!! Its all very good saying look how well these companies are run now, it wasnt like that when they were sold. however Selling the power companies & supply companies, possibly not a good idea Selling rail proved to be a bad idea But the Public just 'seem' to forget what happened when they were GIVEN shares in Power supply companies in Ak (when shares owned by local councils were given to ratepayers). There was mad rush by Joe Average to sell up those shares ASAP, now they just complain that they are getting reemed for power pricing. So its OK for for public to sell the silver, but not the govt ????!!! I'll admit, I sold my free shares as well.	1101 (13337)
1213045	2011-06-29 22:47:00	I agree Mike . The only hope is to stop spending more than we earn . :eek: This is true . . . but wont happen untill we get a dictatorship . :banana Look the the (almost) bankrupt EU countries . They havnt been able to stop their spending . The people wont let them,still .	1101 (13337)
1213046	2011-06-29 22:51:00	Never mind, our politicians are happy to reduce the country to third world status .... Which is probhably (unfortunately) a agricultural based economy's natural state	1101 (13337)
1213047	2011-06-29 23:48:00	NZ was insolvent when that labour govt came into power The reason it was almost insolvent is that Labour said before the election that they would devalue the dollar so every speculator sold the NZ dollar knowing they would make a big killing after the election. Telecom sale was a good idea at the time. the Govt just couldnt run it properly & couldnt afford all the hardware/system upgrades to bring it into the 20th century. Actually the telephone system had just gone through a major upgrade before it was sold that is why Telecom didn't make any investment for years and only kicking and screaming then. Look what is happening now in regards to the fibre rollout. When I was in Canada in 1978 our phone system was well ahead of theirs. Also look at how many of the businesses sold off had to be bailed out, Air NZ, BNZ twice, Railways. The Motunui Synthetic Fuel plant was anything but a failure. Also think of all the dividends that are now going off shore and a totally different picture is painted. There was a Lincoln college professor said that with all the dividends and the interest payments going off shore there was no way NZ could ever get out of the hole it was in.	mikebartnz (21)
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