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Thread ID: 119101	2011-07-04 23:10:00	Happy 4th of July Surfer Joe!	lakewoodlady (103)	PC World Chat

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1214876	2011-07-04 23:10:00	:clap:clap:clap Hope you get to see some great fireworks! LL	lakewoodlady (103)
1214877	2011-07-04 23:25:00	I think they might be banned in California as being to much fun	gary67 (56)
1214878	2011-07-05 00:13:00	I remember watching a World War II Prisoner of War movie on DVD. There were both British and American prisoners in the camp. On 4th July the Americans staged a 4th July Independence Day parade. They had made a home brew and the British were invited to partake in the celebrations. The British prisoners accepted the invitation in good spirit.	Bobh (5192)
1214879	2011-07-05 00:22:00	Happy 4th SJ ... but just remember ... no matter how damn fast you think you are ... we're still a day ahead of ya !!! :D	SP8's (9836)
1214880	2011-07-05 00:34:00	The Declaration of Independence is best remembered as a declaration of war, a war declared on the grounds that we wanted our own flag. The sheer stupidity and anachronism of the idea serves to discourage any thoughts about why Canada didn't need a bloody war, whether the U.S. war benefited people outside the new aristocracy to whom power was transferred, what bothered Frederick Douglas so much about a day celebrating "independence," or what the Declaration of Independence actually said. When you read the Declaration of Independence, it turns out to be an indictment of King George III for various abuses of power. And those abuses of power look fairly similar to abuses of power we happily permit U.S. presidents to engage in today, either as regards the people of this nation or the people of territories and nations that our military occupies today in a manner uncomfortably resembling Britain's rule over the 13 colonies. Excerpt from an article by David Swanson George III may not have been the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he arguably may have been the better option for the colonies. Look at what has become of the founding fathers' dream today. :2cents:	WalOne (4202)
1214881	2011-07-05 00:37:00	:clap:clap:clap Hope you get to see some great fireworks! LL Very nice of you to send 4th July greetings to Joe, but do you know when New Zealand's independence day is? Most probably not. And you are not alone. Most people have no idea. Have a look at the thread, "Dominion of New Zealand" to learn more.	Roscoe (6288)
1214882	2011-07-05 01:10:00	And, Roscoe, read my post above for an inkling as to why. Americans essentially renounced their heritage. I agree with Swanson, they simply exchanged one devil for another. But the devil they knew also represented a thousand years of culture, of raison d'etre. When you lose (or renounce) your historical symbols of nationhood you need to replace them with something. Hence the flag, the "revered" office of the president, and the orchestrated sense of national oneness. If you no longer have a royal family, invent one (the Kennedys, for example). If you no longer have an aristocracy, invent one (usually captains of commerce, the military, or film stars). If you no longer have a real reason to celebrate, call on the marketing gurus to develop one so that the national day runs the danger of disappearing into a plethora of things such as Mothers' Day, Fathers' Day et al. When we became independent we did not throw our heritage away, and we had no need of the circus Independence Day has evolved into.	WalOne (4202)
1214883	2011-07-05 02:06:00	Very nice of you to send 4th July greetings to Joe, but do you know when New Zealand's independence day is? Most probably not. And you are not alone. Most people have no idea. Have a look at the thread, "Dominion of New Zealand" to learn more. A good point you have there. I don't think anyone knows what date New Zealand day is, especially NZrs. All the while some factions of our society are so divided on that, we will never have one. But if we do ever get our own day, then I will celebrate that day too. At least America really knows how to celebrate something and have a much greater show of patriotism for their country. I have spent two 4th Julys over there and you can just see the amount of love and positiveness for their country. Unlike NZ where there is so much negativity. LL Just a thought, If they hadn't split from England I wonder would America be called United States of Britain?	lakewoodlady (103)
1214884	2011-07-05 02:27:00	More lie the United counties of White Europeans who wish to be Irish for one day a year	gary67 (56)
1214885	2011-07-05 22:40:00	A good point you have there. I don't think anyone knows what date New Zealand day is, especially NZrs. New Zeland's Independance Day is the 26th September. That day, in 1907, New Zealand gained it's independance from Britain and went from being the Colony of New Zealand to the self governing Dominion of New Zealand. The point I was trying to make is that the majority of Kiwis know when America celebrates their independance day but few Kiwis are aware of New Zealand's independance day. It really is sad that Kiwis know more about American history than they do their own. I was trying, in a small way, to rectify that.	Roscoe (6288)
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