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Thread ID: 119824	2011-08-11 21:10:00	London Riots	Bobh (5192)	PC World Chat

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1222653	2011-08-15 12:32:00	No the Moriori came first then maoris then us. We signed a treaty giving us rights to stay here, treaty works both ways. I'm not the one arguing that people should adopt the culture of the country they move to, I'm just saying of the people who promote such things are consistent then they would. I say no one should be imposing their culture on others, although I recognise when one is representing the Government as I often have on marae, then one should be respectful of other peoples cultures.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1222654	2011-08-15 13:19:00	From what I have observed of people moving to another country is that the ones who don't enjoy it are the ones who don't integrate within that society and try to live as they did in their previous one.	mikebartnz (21)
1222655	2011-08-15 20:27:00	I'm not the one arguing that people should adopt the culture of the country they move to, I'm just saying of the people who promote such things are consistent then they would. I say no one should be imposing their culture on others, although I recognise when one is representing the Government as I often have on marae, then one should be respectful of other peoples cultures. We came here and took over by right of conquest. We won the maoris wars and the maoris came second. We dont have to adapt to the losing side	prefect (6291)
1222656	2011-08-15 21:35:00	I'm not the one arguing that people should adopt the culture of the country they move to, I'm just saying of the people who promote such things are consistent then they would. I say no one should be imposing their culture on others, although I recognise when one is representing the Government as I often have on marae, then one should be respectful of other peoples cultures. You try hard to give the impression of being logical, but the reality of your posts is the reverse, and suggests that you don't take into account reality, and you also respond tangentially. For example, I tried to give a very brief account from my own living experiences of what the early 50s were like and how the sudden 'massive' immigration impacted upon the indigenous population, in order to give some idea of how uncontrolled immigration from a third world country led to problems both then and later. You ignored all that, though you quoted my post, and then said: "So what did you and KenE do to change your ways to adapt to the Maori culture, given that is essentially your position is about immigrants. " This is just so ridiculous bearing in mind the majority culture in NZ when we came was/is European. It is also quite unrelated to 1950s Britain and illustrates tangential posting to divert attention.	Terry Porritt (14)
1222657	2011-08-15 23:45:00	You try hard to give the impression of being logical, but the reality of your posts is the reverse, and suggests that you don't take into account reality, and you also respond tangentially. For example, I tried to give a very brief account from my own living experiences of what the early 50s were like and how the sudden 'massive' immigration impacted upon the indigenous population, in order to give some idea of how uncontrolled immigration from a third world country led to problems both then and later. You ignored all that, though you quoted my post, and then said: "So what did you and KenE do to change your ways to adapt to the Maori culture, given that is essentially your position is about immigrants. " This is just so ridiculous bearing in mind the majority culture in NZ when we came was/is European. It is also quite unrelated to 1950s Britain and illustrates tangential posting to divert attention. You will get used to his arguments which usually involve a straw man or two and the way he argues the man and not the argument.	mikebartnz (21)
1222658	2011-08-16 07:43:00	You will get used to his arguments which usually involve a straw man or two and the way he argues the man and not the argument. You always use ad homimem attacks so that is rich coming from you. I have rarely seen you actually argue for a position, I presumed you were incapable of it.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1222659	2011-08-16 08:11:00	You try hard to give the impression of being logical, but the reality of your posts is the reverse, and suggests that you don't take into account reality, and you also respond tangentially. For example, I tried to give a very brief account from my own living experiences of what the early 50s were like and how the sudden 'massive' immigration impacted upon the indigenous population, in order to give some idea of how uncontrolled immigration from a third world country led to problems both then and later. You ignored all that, though you quoted my post, and then said: " So what did you and KenE do to change your ways to adapt to the Maori culture, given that is essentially your position is about immigrants. " This is just so ridiculous bearing in mind the majority culture in NZ when we came was/is European. It is also quite unrelated to 1950s Britain and illustrates tangential posting to divert attention. I suspect you are trying to divert attention, not me. You're essentially proposing that races can't live together, so you're an advocate of apartheid. I oppose apartheid as a philosophy and you're personal experiences are really only explaining how you came to your racist philosophy, they're not a logical argument for anything.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1222660	2011-08-16 08:21:00	I suspect you are trying to divert attention, not me. You're essentially proposing that races can't live together, so you're an advocate of apartheid. I oppose apartheid as a philosophy and you're personal experiences are really only explaining how you came to your racist philosophy, they're not a logical argument for anything. Don't feed the TROLL!	Snorkbox (15764)
1222661	2011-08-16 08:34:00	The one thing I have noticed, that is common for all of those that argue to allow free immigration from anywhere, is that they all live in areas, which are totally different & detached from the areas that are affected.	Phil B (648)
1222662	2011-08-16 10:23:00	You always use ad homimem attacks so that is rich coming from you. I have rarely seen you actually argue for a position, I presumed you were incapable of it. That is simply because you are too one eyed and not very observant.	mikebartnz (21)
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