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| Thread ID: 120012 | 2011-08-21 04:53:00 | UK Vs NZ Broadband | The Error Guy (14052) | PC World Chat |
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| 1224838 | 2011-08-22 12:27:00 | None of you believed the final paragraph, did you? Like the petrol companies compete or Telecom vs Vodafone. Can't say I see eye to eye with them on the last part, I'd never vote them anyways, but the rest of the article it food for thought at least. :pf1mobmini: |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1224839 | 2011-08-22 22:23:00 | Short memory same as Chilling_Silence (well he is new to NZ broadband or has Telecom shares, I cant decide) In the late 90's TelstraSaturn started to roll out a new nation Hybrid/Fibre network starting in Wellington then Christchurch. Even though Telecom s residential cables were mostly on power poles (not to mention ugly power cables), lobbying groups started to appear pressuring local councils especially in Auckland to insist the new Hybrid fibre network be installed under ground even were there were power poles. Yep I remember thinking Telecom must be thrilled at this. It was painfully obvious installing the entire network underground was going to kill the project for rest of the country due to cost and it did. Owww now I am not saying Telecom had any hand in those lobbying groups, I mean what did they have to gain? :p Since then Telecom have stayed one step ahead of the government regulation, smoke screen after smoke screen, its good business but bad for us consumers. Well my memory stretches back to post office days. If you want to blame someone point at the tosser who broke it up and sold off Telecom. No matter who ended up buying it they would always be in it for the money. Blaming Telecom for wanting to make money off their investment and not wanting to help out their competitors is ridiculous, do you expect your local contractor to let his competitor have work out of the goodness of his heart? And the point remains, nobody has or will build another network, we don't have the population to support it. If you think the cable network you mention was ever going to extend past the larger cities you are dreaming, and if there was money to be made it would have continued one way or another Additionally you can not reasonably compare New Zealand with it's small population spread out over the whle country with overseas countries whose cities have more people than our entire country all packed into a relatively small area. It simply costs more to build a network here to reach the same number of customers, on top of that if you sell more of something you can reduce the margin, incredibly basic economics. I'm not a Telecom fanboy, they are far from saints. And my memory isn't short. But I get sick of all the one sided complaining painting them as the evil corporation responsible for all our broadband woes. You want London prices, move to London. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1224840 | 2011-08-22 23:05:00 | Hear hear! Those sentiments largely echo what I blogged about last night. Too many people want to have their cake and to eat it too. A friend summed it up nicely on Google+ this morning: Fast || Cheap Pick one. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 1224841 | 2011-08-22 23:43:00 | Just went and read Chills Blog, spookily similar to what I wrote. Who's channelling who? :) |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1224842 | 2011-08-22 23:59:00 | And the point remains, nobody has or will build another network, we don't have the population to support it..... Additionally you can not reasonably compare New Zealand with it's small population spread out over the whle country with overseas countries whose cities have more people than our entire country all packed into a relatively small area. I.... +1 Plus NZ is isolated at the bottom of the world, Its internet connection to the US/EU etc is a single piece of string. :badpc: Govt Threats of splitting up Telecom & removing its monopoly have resulted in Telecom being less keen to invest many many needed Millions in broadband structure/backend |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1224843 | 2011-08-24 03:38:00 | Blaming Telecom for wanting to make money off their investment and not wanting to help out their competitors is ridiculous, do you expect your local contractor to let his competitor have work out of the goodness of his heart? And the point remains, nobody has or will build another network. oh whole heartedly agree Telecom are a greedy monopoly and they are simply protecting there turf which is "good business". If the government of the day had of been a little more aware of what was at stake 12 years ago we would have have a far superior "fully" rolled out second network. But as it stands most of NZ is left with rubbish overpriced DSL2 mostly through Telecom one way or the other (the joke that is Telecom Wholesale & SCC). As a consumer you can choose to not like Telecom's tactics and avoid supporting them where ever possible, but that's individual choice. |
Battleneter2 (9361) | ||
| 1224844 | 2011-08-24 04:10:00 | 12 years ago DSL had only *just* been ratified as an international 'standard' (1998). NZ was one of the first countries. Fact of the matter remains that the raw base-cost can't realistically come down much further (Though Naked DSL pricing could be significantly better), because of the cost to maintain the physical side of the network. It's not exactly cheap! The point is that rolling out a second network only diversifies the customer base, meaning it takes longer for each competing company to recoup any costs incurred through the physical rollout. Again, this is why Cable hasn't been deployed throughout Auckland. There's not enough money in it to justify competing networks. |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
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