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Thread ID: 120243	2011-08-31 09:12:00	What's wrong with NZ?	bk T (215)	PC World Chat

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1227701	2011-09-01 00:42:00	... The Older people have the licences & experience, if not perfect health. They have consiences & are willing to help others. I am sure that there are lots of younger folk who are not working who could do these jobs, if they could be bothered. PJ As I've said earlier, I do respect those older folks who work so hard for the community. I'm sure they have consciences and are willing to help odthers, not a single doubt about it. Again, as I mentioned before, older folks health condition do change fast, sometimes faster than we thought so. Regarding those young people who chose not to work I would say is our education system has failed. Again, it boils down to those hopeless, good for nothing politicians sitting in the Beehive warming their a#$%#.	bk T (215)
1227702	2011-09-01 01:52:00	There are a lot of "Older" people still working here. Why?. Because the community needs them. School bus drivers, Meals on Wheels, Age Concern. St Johns transport bus beween hospitals. ETC. ETC. Often how would places like the West Coast survive. The Older people have the licences & experience, if not perfect health. They have consiences & are willing to help others. I am sure that there are lots of younger folk who are not working who could do these jobs, if they could be bothered. PJ Right on squire	prefect (6291)
1227703	2011-09-01 02:09:00	No way I can put my child onboard a bus under the control of a 87-year-old driver. Unless you enquired as to the age of the school bus driver, you most probably would not be told. All bus drivers need to have a medical test (I think that it is annually) to keep their licence so I think that you could rest assured that the driver was medically fit, although, obviously, a medical will not always pick up a potential problem. Although it may not be as likely, a 20 year old could also have an undetected medical problem that could have the same consequences. What is comes down to is that a 20 year old is not necessarily a better driver than an 87 year old.	Roscoe (6288)
1227704	2011-09-01 02:11:00	Under NZ law, employers cant discriminate because of age . So nothing could be done even if the driver was 101 years old . Do we sack professional drivers after a certain age?? as stated earlier the odds are stacking up against you as you get older . Perhaps there was no one else willing to do this job anyway ?? Anyway , its just a fact of life, accidents happen all the time on the road . We can never make roads, or public transport, 100% safe . BTW, Ive been in an accident where an elderly driver blacked out & crossed the center line . Just a part of driving (or being driven), always some risk involved .	1101 (13337)
1227705	2011-09-01 02:30:00	The Bus driver presumably had a medical certificate otherwise he would/should not be employed. I was driving heavy vehicles until aged 67. Not employed now and don't need to be either.	Snorkbox (15764)
1227706	2011-09-01 02:54:00	Unless you enquired as to the age of the school bus driver, you most probably would not be told. All bus drivers need to have a medical test (I think that it is annually) to keep their licence so I think that you could rest assured that the driver was medically fit, although, obviously, a medical will not always pick up a potential problem. Although it may not be as likely, a 20 year old could also have an undetected medical problem that could have the same consequences. What is comes down to is that a 20 year old is not necessarily a better driver than an 87 year old. 1. As I said earlier, a 'responsible' person should quit the job at that age - think of the children! 2. Again, as I said earlier, older person's health conditions do change much, much faster than younger people. They maybe 100% OK after a medical checkup today, but they may end up in hospital beds one week later. You may argue that this may happen to anyone, young or old; yes. you're right, it may happen to anyone, but the chances for older person is many, many times higher! 3. Experience wise, an older driver is or should be better than a 20 year old, but physically, alertness, etc., who is better? It's crystal clear. That's why I said that different jobs for defferent age group of people. You wouldn't want a 80 year old to be fighter plane pilot and similarly, you also wouldn't want a 20 year old to be the Prime Minister. Can't imagine what's going to happen if the President of the USA is a 20 year old person(man or woman)!	bk T (215)
1227707	2011-09-01 03:49:00	I say age 65 should be the cut off. Ah. Retirement age. But that's going to change to 67. And then after that, up again. And by the time I get there it will probably be 90. Why? Because apparently everyone is fit and healthy these days until way old. So we all need to keep working. Anyway, ANYONE can have a sudden illness at any age. What about the young guy that just died from meningitis?	pctek (84)
1227708	2011-09-01 05:46:00	Under NZ law, employers cant discriminate because of age. So nothing could be done even if the driver was 101 years old . Do we sack professional drivers after a certain age?? as stated earlier the odds are stacking up against you as you get older. ... Exactly. The employer was stupid to tell him that he needed to drive even though he was unwell, but say the employer thought he was too old and wanted him to retire. He couldn't make him if the driver didn't want to. It's very hard to get rid of a bad / unwanted employee. Do it wrong and you'll end up in employment court.	pine-o-cleen (2955)
1227709	2011-09-01 05:52:00	Party Bus has a woman driver who is in her eighties and she is a good driver.	prefect (6291)
1227710	2011-09-01 07:01:00	... Anyway, ANYONE can have a sudden illness at any age. What about the young guy that just died from meningitis? You are absolutely right that anyone can have a sudden illness at any age - no one can say that you are wrong! But, don't you agree that the chances for an older people to have a sudden illness is way, way higher than a younger person. Just look at the health insurance premiums, why is the older person's premium is so much higher than a younger person? It's because older folks have a higher chance of falling sick. Simple, isn't it?	bk T (215)
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