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Thread ID: 120619	2011-09-17 06:26:00	Transitioning from Windows to Linux. Woohoo!	baabits (15242)	PC World Chat

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1231934	2011-09-18 08:26:00	I managed to break 11.04 today while doing nothing more than installing a theme. :badpc: Hmmm, running as root, installing random stuff downloaded from somewhere ... what could possibly go wrong?	fred_fish (15241)
1231935	2011-09-18 08:34:00	Hmmm, running as root, installing random stuff downloaded from somewhere ... what could possibly go wrong? The comment was made it cant be broken, when it can. I was installing a theme, following instructions from a well known legit site. So it had to run as instructed. So basically maybe the comment should have been - "Linux cant be broken as long as you don't run as root, and only use it as a basic user with no permissions to actually change anything". :D	wainuitech (129)
1231936	2011-09-18 08:59:00	How long did it take to upgrade each PC to Ubuntu? About 15-20 minutes per PC. The longer part was sitting down with each person and taking them through it afterwards- most people had niggling questions that they didn't want to ask in front of others :p	baabits (15242)
1231937	2011-09-18 09:01:00	I managed to break 11.04 today while doing nothing more than installing a theme. :badpc: A Broken Theme? did you log in with the default safe environment selected?	baabits (15242)
1231938	2011-09-18 09:01:00	Yes of course it can be broken. Nothing is foolproof, as fools are ingenious and persistent :p One of the issues I have with Ubuntu is the encouragement of "Windows type behaviour" with it's abuse of 'sudo' for root privs anytime for any reason & carefree attitude to unaudited code from 'wherever'. While this probably makes it easier to assimilate windows users (and their expectations) it also dilutes the security model that is one of the big advantages of linux and a primary driver of it's 'robustness'.	fred_fish (15241)
1231939	2011-09-18 09:16:00	That said where linux always let itself down for me was the difficulty installing new software when compared to windows. I tried to get myth TV working and it took me several days of playing with dependencies to get a screen full of static. I think the tuner was working but I could never get it to tune in anything. Sounds a little off, nowadays dependencies are resolved automatically through repositories. Sounds more like a driver issue, that's the one thing I'm still trying to get my head around...	ubergeek85 (131)
1231940	2011-09-18 09:52:00	TV tuner cards (especially analog ones) are a pain to get working. The problem is they typically all use one chipset (Say, BT878) but use totally different tuners and EEPROM configs. The default setup that the drivers use will not work for most cards. You have to manually tell it which tuner etc you've actually got. MythTV is also a bit weird, which doesn't help :lol:	Agent_24 (57)
1231941	2011-09-18 09:58:00	A Broken Theme? did you log in with the default safe environment selected? I was playing silly buggers to pass time before a job this afternoon -- past post was a screen shot of Ubuntu looking like W7. (only a theme) Followed these instructions here (www.howtogeek.com). It went through as described in the article, then on the reboot which it had to do, thats when it wouldn't start again - it looked like it was trying but going round in circles - I went out to a customers place to do a job, approx 1 hour later still in same locked out stage. The "interesting thing" it was Ubuntu 11.04, which I have had problems with previously not working as a rescue bootable CD. I downloaded a fresh copy of 11.04, and the same thing happened on a different Computer. BUT when doing the same thing using 10.10, it worked perfectly, then I upgraded the 10.10 to 11.04, and now its working fine. All that aside, its good to get a big job completed - hopefully without to many problems in the future. Simply changing a companies OS requirement is only half the job. As long as the support is available when the people need it, alls well. :)	wainuitech (129)
1231942	2011-09-18 10:17:00	The "interesting thing" it was Ubuntu 11.04, which I have had problems with previously not working as a rescue bootable CD. I downloaded a fresh copy of 11.04, and the same thing happened on a different Computer. BUT when doing the same thing using 10.10, it worked perfectly, then I upgraded the 10.10 to 11.04, and now its working fine. Going by the date of that article, it was written before 11.04 came out, so it makes sense that it didn't work. But don't feel bad, the Ubuntu devs always manage to break more things than they should anyway. I would never install anything on Ubuntu unless it specifically tells you which version it's for either (because of the way Ubuntu changes all the damn time)	Agent_24 (57)
1231943	2011-09-18 13:52:00	I was playing silly buggers to pass time before a job this afternoon -- past post was a screen shot of Ubuntu looking like W7 . (only a theme) Followed these instructions here ( . howtogeek . com/55985/how-to-make-ubuntu-linux-look-like-windows-7/" target="_blank">www . howtogeek . com) . It went through as described in the article, then on the reboot which it had to do, thats when it wouldn't start again - it looked like it was trying but going round in circles - I went out to a customers place to do a job, approx 1 hour later still in same locked out stage . Maybe it has something to do with this?? ## Install Gnomenu sudo apt-get --yes --force-yes remove gnomenu sudo dpkg -i $HOME/win7/debs/gnomenu_all . deb However, most interesting of all is: sudo wget . lib . sun . ac . za/ubuntu/files/help/theme/gnome/win7-setup . sh" target="_blank">web . lib . sun . ac . za	Cato (6936)
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