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Thread ID: 120684	2011-09-20 19:56:00	Whats with the Blame someone #$%* lately??	pctek (84)	PC World Chat

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1232528	2011-09-21 08:08:00	So I see a need for a remote control helicopter to fly a string over the roof, which can then be used to pull a rope over the roof to then secure a fall arresting system. However, the best spot for a dish is often right on the corner, which is where a rope is most likely to slip and allow a fall. The alternative of climbing a ladder to secure the ladder still involves a climb without security... unless we have everyone tote around airbags and compressors to surround their ladders. Then the problem will become the airbag pushing the base of the ladder from it's best / most stable position. Scissor lifts can't always get access to the right spot, due to trees, plants, fences, uneven terrain. I can't really see a fool-proof answer to the issue of falls from roofs or ladders. Maybe we need to have Michelin-Man style suits that inflate into a body-shrouding airbag whenever a fall is in progress. Although I can imagine headlines of "Worker blasted off ladder when body-air-bag inflates without warning"	Paul.Cov (425)
1232529	2011-09-21 08:37:00	So I see a need for a... I see ignorance. Seriously, rubbish like that needs to be held up for what it is, uninformed gibberish. I'm guessing you don't do height work, at least I hope you don't, Suggest you do a working at heights/full restraint course if you are at any way involved. Vertical horizons run quality training courses. http://www.vhg.co.nz/	Metla (12)
1232530	2011-09-21 08:54:00	From where I come from, we can have OSH regulations, inspectors, manuals ... but at the end of the day, unless the employer is a corporate (even if), forget about the regulations. Most roofers, and those working at heights, just don't go any further than signing they have had read the safety manuals, will abide by them, etc. To attach and re-attach themselves to harnesses just isn't worth the hassle. They'd rather take the chance than slow down and, being paid on productivity, earn less. It's a reality, away from the the regulatory environment and the corporate world. :(	WalOne (4202)
1232531	2011-09-21 10:04:00	When it's Smoko I'll sit where I like! 3179	B.M. (505)
1232532	2011-09-22 01:25:00	Yes, yes, processes, courses, whatever. How about the worker takes some responsibility? You can do all the training and rules you like but in the end it comes down to the person on the roof/ladder - if he ignores it all or makes a wrong move, well......... Keep going this way and we'll end up like America, people blaming companies for every little thing that happens, spilling their coffee, tripping over a mat.	pctek (84)
1232533	2011-09-22 01:29:00	Lawyers have to make a living too. Hmm, do I really believe that?	R2x1 (4628)
1232534	2011-09-22 02:06:00	Yes, yes, processes, courses, whatever. How about the worker takes some responsibility? You can do all the training and rules you like but in the end it comes down to the person on the roof/ladder - if he ignores it all or makes a wrong move, well......... When was the last time you saw a telco or power company lineman up a ladder without their ladder secured and belt on? AFAIK they aren't given the option. That's the difference between companies that take safety seriously and cowboy aerial installing contractors.	PaulD (232)
1232535	2011-09-22 03:10:00	When it's Smoko I'll sit where I like! 3179 I could not spot the harness on that man sitting on the girder. :horrified	Bobh (5192)
1232536	2011-09-22 03:54:00	Lawyers have to make a living too. Hmm, do I really believe that? They do eat.... dont they? Sky should just refuse to place the dish higher that 2 meters, problem solved	Gobe1 (6290)
1232537	2011-09-22 04:33:00	Yes, yes, processes, courses, whatever. How about the worker takes some responsibility? You can do all the training and rules you like but in the end it comes down to the person on the roof/ladder - if he ignores it all or makes a wrong move, well......... The worker doesn't define policy or protocols, they are employed to follow them, and if the company has **** policy then its the worker who suffers. If the company has fulfilled their legal obligations to ensure a safe work place and the worker ignores this then he takes responsibility and the company will escape prosecution. Why do you believe that companies should put profit over safety?, No one is paid enough to suffer a brain injury. And in many cases if the employee isn't informed of the risks and safer methodology then they are in no position to insist upon them, The ignorance displayed by a few in this thread is testament to that very fact.	Metla (12)
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