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| Thread ID: 149090 | 2020-06-21 06:59:00 | The Real George Floyd | Roscoe (6288) | PC World Chat |
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| 1469729 | 2020-06-21 06:59:00 | The other view. The article below was in the Brisbane Courier Mail newspaper this morning by veteran reporter Mike O'Connor. With a gun held at her stomach, the pregnant woman very likely thought that she and her unborn child were about to die. She watched, terrified, as the gunman’s five accomplices ransacked her home looking for money and drugs. Finding neither, they fled, taking her mobile phone and wallet. The man with the gun was George Floyd. He was later arrested and sentenced to five years in jail, adding another chapter to a lengthy criminal history, which included drug offences and armed theft. This is the man now being hailed as a martyr to the cause of civil rights, a low-life drug-using criminal with scant regard for the lives of others, who when he died, was high on fentanyl and methamphetamine. There is no excuse for the manner of his death, but before the hordes of local virtue signallers start organising another illegal protest march, a little perspective as provided by American black activist Candace Owens might be helpful. “We are the only community that fights and screams and demands justice for the people in our community that are up to no good,” she says in an online posting. “It has become fashionable for us to turn criminals into heroes. George Floyd was not an amazing person. Everyone is saying that this man lived a heroic lifestyle and he didn’t. “I will not be part of the broken black culture that wants to martyr black criminals and make them out to be outstanding human beings.” Owens maintains that racially motivated police brutality in the United States is a myth, saying that a violent white criminal has a 25 per cent higher chance of dying at the hands of a police officer than do violent black criminals. “Last year a total of nine unarmed black men were killed by police officers while 19 white men were killed by police. White people represent 60 per cent of the population and black people only 13 per cent, but it doesn’t matter what percentage of the population you represent, it matters what percentage of the violent criminal community you represent and unfortunately the black community commits a disproportionate amount of crime compared to the white community. “The 6 per cent of the population who are black men commit 44 per cent of the murders in this country, according to 2018 statistics. We commit 50 per cent of all violent offences and we are 13 per cent of the population,” Owens says. She says that police officers have more to fear from the black community than the other way around with a police officer being 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black person than a black person is to be killed by a police officer. Owens dismisses the entire narrative of racially motivated violence by police as “complete smoke and mirrors”. “It’s all made up. It’s white versus black because it’s an election year and not because black Americans are suffering at the hands of police officers more than white Americans. “Do some police officers do the wrong things? Yes, but I am not going to stand for this bottom-feeding narrative of martyring people who have had five, six or seven stints in prison. I’m tired of it. I’m tired of having to pretend. It’s embarrassing,” she says. Owens takes aim at what she describes as a toxic culture permeating the black community. “That’s because nobody wants to tell the truth in black America. It’s so easy to be a victim. It’s so easy to ask white people to bow down and apologise to us. It’s crap, it’s a fake, it’s a farce. Our biggest problem is us. It’s why we don’t talk about it when black-on-black violence happens. “We don’t talk about it when black people are being slaughtered by blacks because that would mean we’d have to be accountable. That would mean personal responsibility and we don’t do personal responsibility. We blame white people. We only point a camera at white people when they do something, even though we do it at a far higher rate to ourselves.” “How difficult is it not to spend multiple times in prison? Is that too difficult for us?” she asks. “We have to do better. We have to teach our kids to do better,” she says. This is not what the people who demonstrated in King George Square on the weekend want to hear. They want to embrace the “white versus black” narrative, march and chant and then go back home and tell themselves what a great job they’ve done striking a blow for equality. Here’s a thought. How about having a march next weekend protesting at the violence and sexual assaults perpetrated on Aboriginal children by other indigenous people? Let’s protest about the poor or non-existent parenting in indigenous communities that sees kids fail to attend school and so get a chance at a better life. Hold that protest and I’ll march with you, but I’m not holding my breath. That’s because nobody wants to tell the truth in black America. It’s so easy to be a victim. |
Roscoe (6288) | ||
| 1469730 | 2020-06-21 11:13:00 | USA problems the same as NZ substitute blacks for maoris. However our feldpolizei not so trigger happy or dont get the chance if they are not carrying arms at the time. I remember polezei shooting a dude in Waitara with a golf club, shooting a courier dead with a missed shot NW motorway, just recently shooting an unarmed kid in Albert Park. Like the US the polizei here got away with these killings. | prefect (6291) | ||
| 1469731 | 2020-06-21 21:27:00 | The other view. The man with the gun was George Floyd.. No-one denied he had a criminal history. The issue is the way they held him down and killed him. You are supposed to have a trial first.......... We have our own for the racism argument to continue with today: www.stuff.co.nz Yep he was a naughty boy, but should they kneel on your head? |
piroska (17583) | ||
| 1469732 | 2020-06-21 21:58:00 | The cops spend most of their lives having to deal with scum . The dregs of society. So of course thats going to have an effect on their actions . Add to that the US police service in some states is a low paid job for the dummies of society . Low pay, dangerous, near zero training , too easy to get in . The reason black/maori get so much unwanted police attention, is that they do they majority of the crimes . If I was a scumbag crim then I wouldnt be too surprised if the cops treated me as such . |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1469733 | 2020-06-21 22:05:00 | I have zero sympathy for anyone who gets themselves hurt or killed either resisting arrest or fleeing from the police. That is totally self inflicted. | CliveM (6007) | ||
| 1469734 | 2020-06-21 22:09:00 | It bothers me that the focus is put on race instead of on preventing unnecessary violence or death of anyone at the hands of police, or indeed anyone really. The whole "black lives matter" protest seems like it's focused purely on violence of white people rather than the lives of black people. By which I mean they are putting all their effort into stopping one of the least likely sources of death out of all the possible causes because of race based anger and not because it will save the most black lives. There is no excuse for what happened, but I don't think there's much excuse for focusing on the colour of everyone's skin who was involved either. We should be angry because someone was killed, and because it was by the police who we are supposed to trust to protect us, not because of anyone's race. And the fact that this particular death was of a career criminal doesn't justify anything either. |
dugimodo (138) | ||
| 1469735 | 2020-06-22 00:56:00 | The reason black/maori get so much unwanted police attention, is that they do they majority of the crimes . . And that is half the issue. They do not. They do get heavier sentences, they do get pulled over (even if innocent), they do get that perception..... |
piroska (17583) | ||
| 1469736 | 2020-06-22 02:32:00 | archive.stats.govt.nz 51% . Seems like a majority to me. Factor in they are only 16% of the population. Pretending that isnt true is part of the problem . Who is going to try & fix the causes, when you are labeled a racist for mentioning that stat . As has been the case going back 40 years + |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1469737 | 2020-06-22 03:20:00 | www.nzherald.co.nz Tagger got a bit of rough justice by the cops So, run away, then resist arrest (they had trouble trying to cuff him) Surely to God, you have to know if you resist arrest you are going to get some rough treatment . Not saying that justifies it , but still , I thought that would be common knowledge by now. And if you run away, why later complain about being tackled to the ground ? He honestly doesnt look badly beaten up from the photo . |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1469738 | 2020-06-22 05:33:00 | archive.stats.govt.nz 51% . Seems like a majority to me. And why? interactives.stuff.co.nz www.nzherald.co.nz www.stuff.co.nz Take "white collar" crime. They get a smack on the wrist. Someone stealing a box of beers however, more likely to get a harsher sentence. We all know that. |
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