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| Thread ID: 121000 | 2011-10-07 04:24:00 | Ship at the Mount - need to reconvene PC World Rescue group | Digby (677) | PC World Chat |
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| 1235989 | 2011-10-13 06:52:00 | Given the self proffessed expertise of this Rescue Group...I am not impressed at your efforts so far. The ship & it's oil are still on the reef, try harder people. PJ | Poppa John (284) | ||
| 1235990 | 2011-10-13 07:29:00 | I know a bit more about this whole disaster management process but I have to say I'm joining the cynics. Not that I think the media have done a good job - the questions asked on PF1 are also asked by the locals, and answers have been provided. Not that you'd know that because TV and newspapers ignore it and seek out hysterical interviews. Some of the info is on the Maritime NZ site. Plus there was a public meeting two nights ago with plenty of angry questions asked. Anyone seen a comprehensive report from that meeting? I'd like to read it. Leave that aside, I'm coming to the conclusion that this type of disaster is so rare (yet with hundreds of ships around our coasts, a real risk) that NZ simply does not have the emergency equipment for a fast (12 hours) response. Or the experience. Yes its a bit like Pike River, live and learn. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 1235991 | 2011-10-13 08:20:00 | Winston & John . Firstly John, I totally agree . You know at the end of the day our position will be no better than if all these high paid experts had never answered their phones or got out of bed . To all intention purposes all the oil will be in the ocean, all the containers will be there too and we’ll still have a wreck to deal with . There isn’t too many who will be able to show some achievement at the end of the day, other than the volunteers . Naturally, the Spin Doctors are hard at work trying to justify the inaction but only the gullible believe them anyway . Winston, welcome aboard . I’m glad you are starting to see reason . Your observation that we are totally ill prepared for crisis is right on the mark . Everybody knows I’m still filthy on Pike River but why would anyone ask a policeman to organise a Mine Rescue and equally why would anybody ask an accountant to run a Marine Rescue . We don’t put surgeons in charge of fires and we don’t ask fireman to perform heart operations now do we . When it comes to Christchurch, is anyone actually in charge or will there still be a Red Zone in another ten years? Japan will have fixed their problems whilst we’re still standing around wringing our hands . And as a parting shot, I do hope all the Maoris appreciate all the Honky’s helping tidy up their foreshore . ;) |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1235992 | 2011-10-13 08:38:00 | Leave that aside, I'm coming to the conclusion that this type of disaster is so rare (yet with hundreds of ships around our coasts, a real risk) that NZ simply does not have the emergency equipment for a fast (12 hours) response. Or the experience. Yes its a bit like Pike River, live and learn. Its nothing like Pike River, In that situation it was a case of make safe before mounting a rescue effort, They were never able to make it safe so no rescue was made. Its simple stuff and exactly as I would have directed an emergency response on a site under my control.no one has the right to send people to their death. In this case its I believe a matter of resources, They were told what would be needed in the event of such an emergency and it was ignored, Now these events have unfolded and we don't have the gear to contain the oil. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1235993 | 2011-10-13 20:17:00 | Right.... so all these volunteers, and some official people, clear tonnes of this toxic gunk off whatever it's stuck to..... What happens to it then - where does it go? | tuiruru (12277) | ||
| 1235994 | 2011-10-13 20:28:00 | Its nothing like Pike River, In that situation it was a case of make safe before mounting a rescue effort, They were never able to make it safe so no rescue was made. Its simple stuff and exactly as I would have directed an emergency response on a site under my control.no one has the right to send people to their death. In this case its I believe a matter of resources, They were told what would be needed in the event of such an emergency and it was ignored, Now these events have unfolded and we don't have the gear to contain the oil.W Why haven't they deployed booms, they had 4 days of good weather to do that. Did you see the chap on the TV, who has stacks of these booms made of wool, totaly work??? He was asking why no one asked him to send them up. My thinking being, booms would have slowed the oil from reaching shore. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1235995 | 2011-10-14 00:57:00 | www.stuff.co.nz | icow (15313) | ||
| 1235996 | 2011-10-14 01:13:00 | Right.... so all these volunteers, and some official people, clear tonnes of this toxic gunk off whatever it's stuck to..... What happens to it then - where does it go? It goes to Hampton Downs in sealed trucks. See here:- www.stuff.co.nz |
Snorkbox (15764) | ||
| 1235997 | 2011-10-14 01:22:00 | W Why haven't they deployed booms, they had 4 days of good weather to do that. Did you see the chap on the TV, who has stacks of these booms made of wool, totally work??? He was asking why no one asked him to send them up. My thinking being, booms would have slowed the oil from reaching shore. I have no idea about the worth of his booms, or what the background in regards to resources management may or may not be. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1235998 | 2011-10-14 02:16:00 | Booms are used all over the world to stop oil drift, even if only to some extent, they need not be his. goo.gl Along these lines.......... goo.gl |
Cicero (40) | ||
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