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| Thread ID: 121246 | 2011-10-17 22:39:00 | Voting in the NZ Elections | Snorkbox (15764) | PC World Chat |
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| 1238174 | 2011-10-18 01:43:00 | Time for a Government Written By: Anthony R0bins Time to close the gap between rich and poor in New Zealand instead of helping it grow ever wider. Time to lead on carbon emissions and a sustainable future instead of distantly following. Time for leadership on the economy instead of muddling into a double downgrade. Time to broaden the tax base with a CGT and direct investment away from inflated housing. Time to listen to evidence instead of avoiding it. Time to value education and ditch damaging national standards. Time to reduce unemployment and raise the minimum wage. Time to put children at the centre of social policy. Time to own our own assets and control our own future. Time for a moratorium on deep sea drilling. Time to remember the underclass. Time to respect the democratic process. Time to put an end to the politics of greed. Time for humility instead of hubris. Time to look to the future instead of blaming the past. Time for solutions instead of excuses. Time to stop the lies. Time for a workhorse instead of a show pony. Time for a Government. EDIT: not sure i agree 100% but pretty bloody close |
Gobe1 (6290) | ||
| 1238175 | 2011-10-18 02:27:00 | I was going to vote National again but i dont agree with the selling of the assets...I assume you realise they're not actually selling them outright? The plan is to float a minority share on the NZX - this provides a large amount of upfront capital, while retaining full control through a majority shareholding. The freed-up capital will in turn be used to purchase / create other assets. The alternative to doing this is to borrow that capital. Surely it makes more sense to use the existing capital that the government already has, rather than spend a whole lot more in the interest involved with borrowing it? Time to close the gap between rich and poor in New Zealand instead of helping it grow ever wider.And yet Labour seems intent on removing all incentives for people to do better. Time to lead on carbon emissions and a sustainable future instead of distantly following.Leading in this area has a large negative impact on our economy, which makes getting ahead harder, and simply grows the gap between rich and poor. If a larger proportion of income is spend on carbon taxes, then that money can't be spent on paying the workers who you believe need it most. In addition, the prices of most basic commodities rise, which disproportionately dasadvantages those on a lower income. Time for leadership on the economy instead of muddling into a double downgrade....but better a small downgrade with positive signs of improvement and a plan to get back on track, rather than the Labour approach of spending ever-increasing amounts of borrowed money with *no* plan for getting back on track. Time to broaden the tax base with a CGT and direct investment away from inflated housing.Direct investment into what? You're opposed to a partial float of state assets, which doesn't leave many other options than investing overseas. In addition, a CGT as outlined in Labour's policy raises SFA actual income, while substantially increasing compliance costs. It also shrinks the rental market, which means rents rise, which disproportionately disadvantages those on lower incomes... Time to listen to evidence instead of avoiding it.I assume you're referring to Labour's head-in-the-sand approach here? There's a reason most people aren't paying attention to them any more. Time to value education and ditch damaging national standards.Valuing the process of education is all very well, but the process means nothing unless it achieves results. If you don't measure the results, how do you expect to know whether or not they're actually being achieved? Time to reduce unemployment and raise the minimum wage.Raising the minimum wage increases unemployment, because it makes staff less affordable. Unless corporate income also rises, a minimum wage means fewer jobs. Time to put children at the centre of social policy.So now you *want* National Standards? You seem to be arguing for both sides here... Time to own our own assets and control our own future.You want to own our country's assets, but don't want the government to allow you to purchase shares in them? Again, you're arguing both sides here, you need to get off the fence ;). Time for a moratorium on deep sea drilling.On what grounds? Time to remember the underclass.Based on the above, you currently seem intent on disadvantaging them. While I guess that qualifies as remembering, I somehow don't think that's what you were going for. Time to respect the democratic process.Agreed, MMP either needs to go, or have substantial changes made to it. Time to put an end to the politics of greed.A nice phrase, but incredibly non-specific, and not attached to any actual policy. What are you actually getting at here? Time for humility instead of hubris.Yep, Labour definitely needs to ditch the hubris and get back in touch with the rest of the country. With this, and your head-in-the-sand comment above, it's clear you're seeing the light. Time to look to the future instead of blaming the past.Yep - toss out those aged Labourites from the Clark era, and bring in some fresh faces who are capable of engaging with the public, rather than simply patronising them like the current lot do. Time for solutions instead of excuses.Another vote for National Standards? You really seem to be conflicted on this issue. Time to stop the lies.Yet Field still hasn't apologised, nor has Labour apologised on his behalf. Time for a workhorse instead of a show pony.It appears we already have this - just look at the show Labour put on filibustering the VSM bill, and the workhorse-like approach of Act and National to get it passed before the election. Time for a Government.Excellent to see, you've come around to the right side (pun intended). The opposition is clearly useless, so sticking with the government would seem to be the sensible option come November 26th :D. I'm in the mood for a debate, so if you have any other points you'd like to raise, I'm game! |
Erayd (23) | ||
| 1238176 | 2011-10-18 02:32:00 | haha awesome Erayd, most of this is just fluff and i copied and pasted from an email (im good at that) but! give me a minute here.... | Gobe1 (6290) | ||
| 1238177 | 2011-10-18 06:31:00 | This is too difficult to add the quotes in or is there an easier way to do it? I assume you realise they're not actually selling them outright? The plan is to float a minority share on the NZX - this provides a large amount of upfront capital, while retaining full control through a majority shareholding. The freed-up capital will in turn be used to purchase / create other assets. Yes i realised that but considering nz debt this is a drop in the bucket The alternative to doing this is to borrow that capital. Surely it makes more sense to use the existing capital that the government already has, rather than spend a whole lot more in the interest involved with borrowing it? Agreed, i hate borrowing And yet Labour seems intent on removing all incentives for people to do better. Agreed, Labour love taxes, i would never vote for them Leading in this area has a large negative impact on our economy, which makes getting ahead harder, and simply grows the gap between rich and poor. If a larger proportion of income is spend on carbon taxes, then that money can't be spent on paying the workers who you believe need it most. In addition, the prices of most basic commodities rise, which disproportionately dasadvantages those on a lower income. National sold us out in this area ...but better a small downgrade with positive signs of improvement and a plan to get back on track, rather than the Labour approach of spending ever-increasing amounts of borrowed money with *no* plan for getting back on track. Agreed, but i think we have yet to see the effects of this if any Direct investment into what? You're opposed to a partial float of state assets, which doesn't leave many other options than investing overseas. In addition, a CGT as outlined in Labour's policy raises SFA actual income, while substantially increasing compliance costs. It also shrinks the rental market, which means rents rise, which disproportionately disadvantages those on lower incomes... Im not in favour of a CGT, i rent so this could affect me a lot but house prices are still too high I assume you're referring to Labour's head-in-the-sand approach here? There's a reason most people aren't paying attention to them any more. Not sure what evidence they are talking about here? OJ Simpson? Valuing the process of education is all very well, but the process means nothing unless it achieves results. If you don't measure the results, how do you expect to know whether or not they're actually being achieved? I have to admit i know SFA about national standards Raising the minimum wage increases unemployment, because it makes staff less affordable. Unless corporate income also rises, a minimum wage means fewer jobs. Yes reduce unemployment, not sure a bout minimum wage but your reasoning makes sense So now you *want* National Standards? You seem to be arguing for both sides here...I think this one might have been about family violence and that sucks! You want to own our country's assets, but don't want the government to allow you to purchase shares in them? Again, you're arguing both sides here, you need to get off the fence ;). What fence ;) On what grounds? Actually i work in the oil and gas industry and i say "DRILL THEM FRIGGIN WELLS!" Greenins be damned! Based on the above, you currently seem intent on disadvantaging them. While I guess that qualifies as remembering, I somehow don't think that's what you were going for. "insert shrug sholders smiley" Agreed, MMP either needs to go, or have substantial changes made to it. And referendums mean nothing! A nice phrase, but incredibly non-specific, and not attached to any actual policy. What are you actually getting at here? It should be greed of politics but i didnt write it Yep, Labour definitely needs to ditch the hubris and get back in touch with the rest of the country. With this, and your head-in-the-sand comment above, it's clear you're seeing the light. What the F is hubris? Yep - toss out those aged Labourites from the Clark era, and bring in some fresh faces who are capable of engaging with the public, rather than simply patronising them like the current lot do. Agreed. National has had a friggin lot to deal with in the last 3 years, huge debt and world depression, Pike river, Chch, now a stuck boat. They must be just wondering whats next... Another vote for National Standards? You really seem to be conflicted on this issue. More fluff Yet Field still hasn't apologised, nor has Labour apologised on his behalf. All politicians are liars as are most humans but i guess no one really wants to get caught out in the public eye. It appears we already have this - just look at the show Labour put on filibustering the VSM bill, and the workhorse-like approach of Act and National to get it passed before the election. Agreed Excellent to see, you've come around to the right side (pun intended). The opposition is clearly useless, so sticking with the government would seem to be the sensible option come November 26th :D. No idea why this was in there?? we would be pretty buggered without one I'm in the mood for a debate, so if you have any other points you'd like to raise, I'm game! Not really a debate, and im definitely not going into one with you! LOL EDIT: Man this looks like crap but somehow i got a few quotes in there?? DOH |
Gobe1 (6290) | ||
| 1238178 | 2011-10-18 08:39:00 | This is too difficult to add the quotes in or is there an easier way to do it?I just manually type the tags :). [quote]Not really a debate...Indeed - after reading your reply, it appears that we actually agree on a lot of points. I'm more than happy to play devil's advocate and argue the other side though, if you're in the mood... ...and im definitely not going into one with you! LOLAny particular reason why not? If it's the topic you dislike, we could pick another. Have you considered participating in this (pressf1.pcworld.co.nz)? |
Erayd (23) | ||
| 1238179 | 2011-10-18 08:50:00 | I just manually type the [quote] tags :). Any particular reason why not? If it's the topic you dislike, we could pick another. Have you considered participating in this (pressf1.pcworld.co.nz)? Probably not so much the topic, but the competitor he is afraid of (don't blame him), who would ever think somebody would ever put time and thought into a reply in this forum |
plod (107) | ||
| 1238180 | 2011-10-18 12:24:00 | No one would be a better PM than either Key or Goff, so let us opt for no one. | KenESmith (6287) | ||
| 1238181 | 2011-10-18 12:33:00 | No one would be a better PM than either Key or Goff, so let us opt for no one. No matter what, where ****ed |
goodiesguy (15316) | ||
| 1238182 | 2011-10-18 13:10:00 | As long as the smiling assassin is voted off the island, I'll be happy. Also, cycle ways. |
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