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Thread ID: 121542	2011-10-30 22:19:00	Elections	beetle (243)	PC World Chat

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1240878	2011-10-31 19:57:00	It's not Godwin's Law you prat, you mentioned Germany. Godwins law is when a thread first mentions Nazis, Hitler, 3rd Reich mentioning Germany a bit of a stretch for the law.	prefect (6291)
1240879	2011-10-31 20:24:00	Best thing is to have a referendums on the voting system every election until we get FPP back in. FPP makes for a strong government not a government held to ransom by a small number of commie rabble rousers. Another thing about MMP that disgusts me is when a candidate for an electorate is not voted in but gets in by way of the list. That is just so communist Well if FPP is the answer, why did 85% of the voters choose to dump it after having to put up with it for years? The reason is that under FPP you virtually have a Dictator. Yes he’s called the Prime Minister but all his party must do as he says. Even if the opposition come up with a good idea the Government will oppose it and nobody dares “Cross the Floor”. The reality is you might as well leave the Prime Minister to do everything and the rest go home. Piggy Muldoon was a classic case and even though members of his own party could see the failings in his thinking they were powerless to do anything. As I said earlier FPP is a proven failure, as is MMP, so where do we go now? That is the question, but it’s really only academic as before anything is done we’ll be controlled from overseas anyway. We’re not far away from that now, given the extent of our borrowing. ;)	B.M. (505)
1240880	2011-10-31 21:13:00	It is rubbish to say that FPP is a failure. MMP was a disaster before it was adopted here in NZ, but the Greenies and Left leaning Pinkos saw it as their savior. It was the only way that they were going to get their hands on the thrones of power. Look at the mess they created. It is time that New Zealand woke up to the fact that they were conned by this wonderful thing called "MMP".	Zippity (58)
1240881	2011-10-31 21:22:00	I agree with zippity imo its the greens and moaris that have caused our MMP system to fail.	prefect (6291)
1240882	2011-10-31 21:30:00	I am in favour of Supplementary Member, It's what MMP should have been in the first place SM - Supplementary Member There are 120 Members of Parliament. There are 90 electorates, including the Maori electorates. Each elects one MP, called an Electorate MP. The other 30 seats are called supplementary seats. MPs are elected to these seats from political party lists and are likely to be called List MPs. Each voter gets two votes. The first vote is to choose the MP the voter wants to represent the electorate they live in. This is called the electorate vote. The candidate who gets the most votes wins. They do not have to get more than half the votes. The second vote is for the political party the voter chooses. This is called the party vote. The share of the 30 supplementary seats each party gets reflects its share of the party vote. For example, if a party gets 30% of the party vote, it will get about 9 List MPs in Parliament (being 30% of the 30 supplementary seats) no matter how many electorate seats it wins. This makes SM different from MMP where a party’s share of all 120 seats mirrors its share of the party vote. One or other of the major parties would usually have enough seats to govern alone, but coalitions or agreements between parties may sometimes be needed.	gary67 (56)
1240883	2011-10-31 22:14:00	I am in favour of Supplementary Member, It's what MMP should have been in the first place SM - Supplementary Member There are 120 Members of Parliament. There are 90 electorates, including the Maori electorates. Each elects one MP, called an Electorate MP. The other 30 seats are called supplementary seats. MPs are elected to these seats from political party lists and are likely to be called List MPs. Each voter gets two votes. The first vote is to choose the MP the voter wants to represent the electorate they live in. This is called the electorate vote. The candidate who gets the most votes wins. They do not have to get more than half the votes. The second vote is for the political party the voter chooses. This is called the party vote. The share of the 30 supplementary seats each party gets reflects its share of the party vote. For example, if a party gets 30% of the party vote, it will get about 9 List MPs in Parliament (being 30% of the 30 supplementary seats) no matter how many electorate seats it wins. This makes SM different from MMP where a party’s share of all 120 seats mirrors its share of the party vote. One or other of the major parties would usually have enough seats to govern alone, but coalitions or agreements between parties may sometimes be needed. *666 Gary.4 There is a derogatory name for mmp, which doesn't spring to mind, but those mug parties that represent mmp, well enough said. Lurking. Ps. would we want a similar style of thing for the RWC, first always wins the race, unless it's a three leg, lol. lurks.	Lurking (218)
1240884	2011-10-31 22:18:00	@Gary67 After reading your description of it, SM looks pretty good. The problem with all of these new systems we are being offered is that we don't really know the ins and outs of them. Ie How they will work in practice. It took "us" a few elections to get our heads around MMP. And we all voted for that as we got the idea that it was the best system and that STV sounded like a disease.	Digby (677)
1240885	2011-10-31 22:24:00	STV sounded like a disease. STV sounds like an STD :p	pcuser42 (130)
1240886	2011-10-31 22:37:00	Well they are all explained Here (www.elections.org.nz) if you want to read them. I did so that I could make an informed choice instead of burying my head in the sand like some people seem to want to	gary67 (56)
1240887	2011-10-31 23:09:00	I think this guy stands for the “Politically Incorrect Party” and I like his style. :D HERE (dotsub.com)	B.M. (505)
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