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| Thread ID: 123771 | 2012-03-15 07:17:00 | who uses how much of my monthly internet quota | bjocque (1064) | Press F1 |
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| 1265177 | 2012-03-17 07:10:00 | This thread is amusing - While gargoyle does monitor what ever device is on the LAN, and very well at that, one question STILL remains unanswered. Keep in mind the original post - some are home stays, so they are not there all the time month after month etc, or a permanent resident. So I'll repeat it in simple terms. If you have 3 laptops all using the internet at the same time - While Gargoyle will monitor all 3, if one person is using a lot of bandwidth and the other two are not, without actually getting a look at each device to determine who has what IP, or MAC address on each device,or they are being asked to provide details as to what they are doing, WHICH of the three is using the data ? If someone was charging a person for their usage, they had better be damn sure its the right person. Simple browsing and looking at various sites, wont use anywhwere near the amount of data compared to someone watching HD videos on youtube. |
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| 1265178 | 2012-03-17 07:36:00 | So you set a data cap per IP and see who yells ... :) | fred_fish (15241) | ||
| 1265179 | 2012-03-17 07:51:00 | All this setting up different restrictions Via Gargoyle would require a lot of "admin"work on someones behalf.. bet that wouldn't last to long before they got pissed off with it. If there were regular changes of people, with very little work theres a lot easier ways. Gargoyle is good at what it does, but sorry, its NOT the "be all" to every solution :) |
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| 1265180 | 2012-03-17 08:53:00 | Well, for this problem, it certainly beats the hell out of installing a monitor on each device. | fred_fish (15241) | ||
| 1265181 | 2012-03-17 09:28:00 | And it STILL comes down to the point WHO is actually using the data if multi users,And who get charged. I'm sure if YOU were charged for something you didn't use you would gladly pay if you were that stupid. If any one cant see that then they are just plain ignorant and deserve every thing you got. Its like advertising on TV or paper - you never see someplace advertising and showing the negative sides of a product. I'm simply pointing out using gargoyle is not the only option. |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1265182 | 2012-03-17 09:42:00 | So, you just talk to them. Ask what hostname / MAC address they have. Or set up a proxy / captive portal and give them user / pass each ... It obviously depends on the situation. |
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| 1265183 | 2012-03-17 09:48:00 | give them user / pass each ... It obviously depends on the situation. Yep, giving each user that would work fine. Thats mostly how cyber cafes do it who charge. It also depends on the skill level of the person needing to set it up. (cost of any new hardware/software as well) A general home user wouldn't have a clue how to set something like that up. Edited: FYI - Networxs can monitor all network traffic from all connections on the LAN, Plus it can set quotas and time restrictions for any connection. |
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| 1265184 | 2012-03-17 10:10:00 | If you guys had Macs you could use the built in Activity Monitor in OS X and you would not have to argue about the different options available. | Safari (3993) | ||
| 1265185 | 2012-03-17 10:58:00 | No but that's the point, anything on the client side is easy to circumvent, especially in a flatting scenario, there is *zero* true accountability because it's dead simple to just kill off XYZ monitoring program, or reboot to a Live Linux CD. Even OSX can't prevent against that. Again, Gargoyle takes in to account your gripes, and it assigns the hostname where resolvable to the IP Address / MAC Address so when you look it up, it tells you. That, and a simple "ping -a" works a lot of the time too. Considering how simple Gargoyle is to put on the likes of a WRT54GL, and the protection it offers, I'd even go so far as to say that in a flatting situation you'd be foolish to try and use anything client-based because of it. Simply fire up the Web GUI, choose "Upgrade firmware" and point it to the Gargoyle firmware. Most of the defaults for Gargoyle include things we've discussed: a) Statically assigning the same IP to the MAC Address b) Lookups where possible of the Hostname And then it's incredibly easy (One tick box?) to: c) Enable quotas for the whole LAN (Tick box plus inputting a super high limit they'll never reach, just so it starts the accounting) d) Block access where the IP used isn't one that Gargoyle has assigned Then to say it's "too hard" to go around to each PC and find out which IP or MAC address it's using, but you insist it's simple enough to install bandwidth monitoring software on a PC.... That just doesn't fly with me, it's the other way around. Start --> Run --> cmd --> getmac is a damn sight easier to do (If for some strange reason you felt the need to) vs having to actually plug in a thumbdrive and / or download + install software. And finally, the technical know how isn't the issue, because if you didn't know how to do it, you would ask, as has been the case in this instance. Granted money may be an issue, some people can't or just simply don't want to fork out ~$100 for a secondary access point, that's fine, in which case they're then limited in their options. However, if somebody is asking "How do I do this?", they're likely going to struggle as much with setting up software as they will with setting up an access point, so guiding through XYZ steps for either is really a moot point, because the person asking is going to have to follow instructions either way. It's not like they're gonna go "Oh right, software, I just *know* how to setup a quota using this software I've never heard of" yet struggle when told about how to do it on their router. However, setting up a captive portal is granted probably a lot more difficult than a Gargoyle or client-PC based software monitoring solution. I would strongly suggest that in all the scenarios provided so far in this thread that a Gargoyle router solution is the *ideal* solution, money depending. If XYZ person in the scenario can't afford the router, then naturally they're left with installing software on each client device. However, in terms of "having the least amount of ways around it", or "Being the hardest to trick and falsify data for", Gargoyle wins, hands down. Ctrl + Shift + Esc is simply too easy to have a client do when you don't have control over said PC or Laptop. It's much more difficult to do that on a router where they don't have access to it. Can you imagine every week or two in a backpackers or homestay solution having to set it up again on a new computer? It'd be a nightmare, not to mention if they had a friend over... Gargoyle requires one hell of a lot less "admin" work than doing a client-side software solution is all I'm saying ;) |
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