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| Thread ID: 121542 | 2011-10-30 22:19:00 | Elections | beetle (243) | PC World Chat |
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| 1240848 | 2011-10-31 03:01:00 | Gary you are right that only a few countries use MMP. But most of the other 150 or so democracy's use some form of proportional representation. Only two use FPP - The UK and the USA afaik And yes Tonight's debate will just be the usual shout fest. I like proportional representation as it gives a chance for a third party to come though (but not the Greens) or get established. But I'd like to know what sort of tweaks they are thinking about for MMP |
Digby (677) | ||
| 1240849 | 2011-10-31 03:03:00 | MMP is failing all NZers except the minor parties that shouldn't even exist like Hone's Mana party Agreed. A system which gets rid of these sorts of parties but keeps the likes of the Greens (last I heard they were polling at 10%) would be perfect. |
pcuser42 (130) | ||
| 1240850 | 2011-10-31 03:14:00 | I just hope the communists dont get too many seats, if its a fine day the labor voting commies tend to vote if its wet they just lie on the couch. Years ago I can remember my old Schoolmaster telling us that Communists were bad, very bad. There was in fact a Communist Party in New Zealand. My old Schoolmaster was very dismayed that a few New Zealanders actually voted for the Communist Party. In them days we used to check for reds under the beds before going to sleep. :sleep I remember as a 20 year old looking forward to turning 21 so that I could go into a pub without having to look over my shoulder. Bugger my days if the Government did not drop the legal drinking age to 20 as soon as I reached 21. :groan: I am almost 65 and looking forward to retiring soon. The Labour Party is talking about increasing the retirement age in the near future while the National Party is talking about increasing the retirement age within the next 20 years. |
Bobh (5192) | ||
| 1240851 | 2011-10-31 03:47:00 | It might not be a binding referendum but anyone who doesn't vote on this issue must have Ostrich mentality. MMP is failing all NZers except the minor parties that shouldn't even exist like Hone's Mana party, just as FFP failed. Only 2 countries that I know of use MMP the other being Germany it if they can't make it work nobody can :lol: Well we replaced FPP with MMP because FPP didn’t work and have found MMP doesn’t work either. So which system will you be supporting? You have PV, STV, & SM and less than 10% of the population has the slightest clue how they all work and are therefore not in a position to make an informed decision. Personally, I think STV may be worth a look, but you really need to have studied the matter in depth to get a decent understanding of the Pro’s and Con’s. Further, regardless of what is chosen this time, and in the unlikely event that government should decide to run with it, it will just become another referendum in 2014, the results of which would come into effect in the 2017 election, by which time it won’t matter because by then the country will be well and truly stuffed. :groan: It really is an exercise in futility designed to give the gullible the “Warm & Fuzzies” but with no real action possible until 2017. |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1240852 | 2011-10-31 03:54:00 | At least with FPP we don't get held to ransom by the lunatic parties :) | Zippity (58) | ||
| 1240853 | 2011-10-31 03:55:00 | At least with FPP we don't get held to ransom my the lunatic parties :) We're being held ransom by one now :p (sorry, couldn't resist) |
pcuser42 (130) | ||
| 1240854 | 2011-10-31 04:04:00 | A few good youtube videos to get you educated before the election. FPP vs STV and such... bit.ly bit.ly bit.ly not all relevant to the NZ choice, but good food for thought none the less. |
robsonde (120) | ||
| 1240855 | 2011-10-31 04:09:00 | I posted this in a past thread: No matter what, where ****ed It pretty much sums the situation up. |
goodiesguy (15316) | ||
| 1240856 | 2011-10-31 04:32:00 | At least with FPP we don't get held to ransom by the lunatic parties :) You mean there is a Sane one? :eek: Do tell. :) |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1240857 | 2011-10-31 04:42:00 | You mean there is a Sane one? :eek: Do tell. :) There was the Bill and Ben Party :D |
pcuser42 (130) | ||
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