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Thread ID: 121521	2011-10-29 07:10:00	Qantas grounds all flights worldwide.	Hitech (9024)	PC World Chat

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1240711	2011-10-29 19:48:00	It's possibly a strategy to kill off Qantas and move all operations to their lower cost subsidiaries such as Jetstart. Given the damage that the Qantas brand has received from all the engine failures etc. plus the weeks of disruption due to industrial action, it might be a gamble they're willing to take.	somebody (208)
1240712	2011-10-29 20:57:00	Alan Joyce’s package totalled $5 million for the year Thats peanuts to Quantas, sure anyone here would love that kind of money, but when Qantas' international business is losing A$200 million + a year they have t do something. Qantas Chief Executive Alan Joyce said on Friday the industrial unrest had cost the carrier A$68 million to dateno company can sustain those sorts of loses. Sure planes need maintenance, and safety should be a high priority, but the way most airlines work is doing a need to do base. You only have to look a that TV program Air Crash investigation about the amount of times maintenance is usually not always done as it should be. Obviously they don't want planes crashing, esp when an airbus is over 300 Million US each. The unions sometimes push for more than whats available, and 99% of the time the unions end up costing workers one way or the other. Many people always think -- Oh we can get a hell of a lot more wages - and they have no idea what its like to run a company, want want want -- and then if the company folds, they get sweet stuff all, and are out of work.	wainuitech (129)
1240713	2011-10-29 21:05:00	Still, management have muffed it, they wont get any sympathy. If the company is in the crap then its no time to go awarding themselves massive pay rises, In the great scheme of things 5m might be peanuts but not to the average wage earner, they know how many people that could have been spread around, They know they are getting squeezed, and they know how many of their co-workers lost their jobs to make that 5m payout. I'm no fan of unions, but if you treat your workers like Muppets you can expect them to bite back, The damage to Qantas is huge, on a world wide scale, and at the end of the day they won't look at Barry in maintenance and say he ran the company into the ground, it will be the twats in head office. I won't fly with them again.	Metla (12)
1240714	2011-10-29 21:12:00	From memory the unions would announce strike action starting on a certain date. At huge expense the company would reschedule/cancel flights, only for the unions to withdraw action at the last moment. Results... unions can say "aren't we good to our public", but still, the company incurs huge costs. No-one wins in these fights. It could end up like the Air New Zealand/Ansett debacle. I haven't flown with them since 2002 when we had a flight Auckland/Brisbane/Cairns and both airplanes broke down. One with a delay of an hour while we were onboard ready to leave Auckland. The other was at Brisbane where we had to disembark because of a hydraulic leak. That was a 4 hour delay Ken	kenj (9738)
1240715	2011-10-29 21:46:00	Interesting to say the least, Qantas are gambling the entire company on being able to break the union.	Metla (12)
1240716	2011-10-30 02:52:00	Unions have caused much strife over the years causing companys to go belly up and putting people out of work. I'm no fan of unions either. :(	Trev (427)
1240717	2011-10-30 03:04:00	I haven't flown with them since 2002 when we had a flight Auckland/Brisbane/Cairns and both airplanes broke down. One with a delay of an hour while we were onboard ready to leave Auckland. The other was at Brisbane where we had to disembark because of a hydraulic leak. That was a 4 hour delay There is a plus here. The problems were identified during the course of the ground and pre-flight checks. So :thumbs: to the crew. But I hear what you're saying. There's just too many maintenance-related things happening to QF these days for the seasoned traveller not to be concerned.	WalOne (4202)
1240718	2011-10-30 03:23:00	Last time i flew quantas from ozzy back to here about 2 years ago, they still had only 1 tv for the whole cabin.....Cheap	Gobe1 (6290)
1240719	2011-10-30 03:29:00	Firstly, let us give a deep vote of sympatrhy to QANTAS workers, they are only receiving a lousy 15% more than the equivalent workers in the other airlines operating in Australia. We all feel desperately sorry for QANTAS aircraft engineers who have to struggle to survive on the lousy $A170,000 pa average wage that QANTAS engineers receive, and let us not forget all the travel perks on top of this survival wage. Most of the people I know would be very happy to have the same economic survival problems these people have. A spokesman for the QANTAS aircraft engineers stated on TV the other night, that they were quite prepared to run this campaign against the airline for at least another 12 months if necessary. These running disputes are costing about $15 million a week without causing any pain to the engineers, while a shutdown will cost the airline $20 million a day - one weeks shutdown equates to about 9 weeks of the running sore dispute, but the shutdown is an attention grabber and perhaps this disgusting Gillard Labour Government may now more to sort out the dispute. Alan Joyce has come out and said the grounding remains until the dispute is settled. For those who think it is an unnecessary storm, remember Ansett, they were driven broke by industrial disputes, before Air NZ made the mistake of buying them without due diligence.	KenESmith (6287)
1240720	2011-10-30 03:43:00	I'm with Metla on this one. Read here: August 17: Alan Joyce says the reforms are essential to return its international business to profitability. August 25: Qantas announces doubling of annual profit. pre-tax profit rose 46 per cent to $552 million, September 6: Qantas’ annual report shows CEO Alan Joyce’s package totalled $5 million for the year to June 30, compared with $2.9 million previously, equalling a 71 percent pay rise. It's like serfdom. The barons were bloated with resources while the peasants slaved away on scraps. A return to profit? When profit doubled? It's not like they said, well, we've been running in the red for ages. And at the same time he feels a need to have a 71% pay rise? I really don't see the need for bloated salaries in companies, sure they earn more than the other company members but come on, it's certainly not necessary. And in any case, even if they were in the red, they'd still be handing out gigantic amounts to CEOs, they all do. Yep, great idea, let's cut services, let's herd them into budget planes like cattle in a stock truck, let's cut airport services too, let's make the pilots fly more, let's cut everything and anything except management pay and the enormous profits we need to have.......	pctek (84)
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