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Thread ID: 121739	2011-11-10 02:52:00	Three Pike river Parties charged over Pike River Mine.	Snorkbox (15764)	PC World Chat

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1242836	2011-11-11 20:22:00	Meh, Vests have been adopted world wide for good reason, they work . Spotting people around a work site in vests is easy, without vests near impossible . And theres a good reason they didn't consult B . M . on the subject, he has zero comprehension, he's just a stubborn old timer, the facts are irrilivant to him and his views . Well speaking of facts how do you explain the following, taken from the depths of OSH statistics . ;) In 2002 there were 4 . 4 fatalities per 100,000 full time employees in the Construction workforce, compared to 13 . 8 in 2009 . An increase of over 300% . In the interim period it got as high as 19 . 5 in 2006 . So you see there is no evidence at all that all the Fluro Jackets, Safety Glasses, Gloves, Earmuffs, Hard Hats, Steel Cap Boots, Harnesses and so on have done anything to reduce accidents . Indeed, it could be reasonably argued that all this regalia has restricted your Vision, your Hearing, your sense of Touch, your Mobility and therefore contributed to the accident rate . At the end of the day, if you get hit by a 20 tonne concrete beam or backed over by a Bulldozer it doesn’t matter what you’re wearing and it’s pure folly to think it does .	B.M. (505)
1242837	2011-11-11 20:37:00	well considering that there were at least four times as many people working in construction in 2006 compared to 2002 and most were unskilled labourers due to the rapid increase in the work load I'm not surprised at the figures but once again figures do NOT show the underlying reasons which is lack of training and personal responsibility. I hate certain safety measure's as much as the next person but they have kept me alive in a couple of close shaves so I accept them but I guess you don't need a hard hat if your heads in the sand	gary67 (56)
1242838	2011-11-11 20:46:00	Well speaking of facts how do you explain the following, taken from the depths of OSH statistics. ;) In 2002 there were 4.4 fatalities per 100,000 full time employees in the Construction workforce, compared to 13.8 in 2009. An increase of over 300%. In the interim period it got as high as 19.5 in 2006. So you see there is no evidence at all that all the Fluro Jackets, Safety Glasses, Gloves, Earmuffs, Hard Hats, Steel Cap Boots, Harnesses and so on have done anything to reduce accidents. Indeed, it could be reasonably argued that all this regalia has restricted your Vision, your Hearing, your sense of Touch, your Mobility and therefore contributed to the accident rate. At the end of the day, if you get hit by a 20 tonne concrete beam or backed over by a Bulldozer it doesn’t matter what you’re wearing and it’s pure folly to think it does. You do yourself no favours, just looking at your figures you can see that year is an abnormality, why even think thats proves anything? By your logic if the miners were wearing vests then that proves that vests actually kill people. That aside, the figures for work place related deaths have been manipulated and fudged for years, The notifications at OSH have never matched the notifications at ACC, If the numbers are growing then its because more legitimacy is being forced into the system, which has to happen so that the required controls can be put in place to ensure peoples safety. If you are operating a bulldozer and someone comes into your work area then you are required to halt work and instruct them to move, and you are far more likely to spot them if they are wearing a vest. It should be reported as an incident and the person spoken to about their responsibilities and work habits, and then the site addresses on the protocols of working around plant. If you just let a site go then you have mayhem, and serious injury is guaranteed.	Metla (12)
1242839	2011-11-11 20:53:00	And it could have something to do with our aging workforce. www.dol.govt.nz I can see where B.M. fits into that picture.	Metla (12)
1242840	2011-11-11 21:04:00	well considering that there were at least four times as many people working in construction in 2006 compared to 2002 and most were unskilled labourers due to the rapid increase in the work load I'm not surprised at the figures but once again figures do NOT show the underlying reasons which is lack of training and personal responsibility. I hate certain safety measure's as much as the next person but they have kept me alive in a couple of close shaves so I accept them but I guess you don't need a hard hat if your heads in the sand And it could have something to do with our aging workforce. www.dol.govt.nz Yes and yes. Haven't really said anything in this thread, cause I know frig all about this kind of thing, (not that that stopped BM, mind you) but have been following it with interest, BM is really getting up my nose....	wratterus (105)
1242841	2011-11-11 21:08:00	Yes and yes. Haven't really said anything in this thread, cause I know frig all about this kind of thing, (not that that stopped BM, mind you) but have been following it with interest, BM is really getting up my n ose.... There is always the ignore button.	Cicero (40)
1242842	2011-11-11 21:09:00	There is always the ignore button. Fair point Cic, fair point. Off topic, did you get a new camera in the end? I haven't seen that thread for a day or two.	wratterus (105)
1242843	2011-11-11 21:19:00	Fair point Cic, fair point. Off topic, did you get a new camera in the end? I haven't seen that thread for a day or two. I did old bean, a Canon A1200 $109 ex NL.	Cicero (40)
1242844	2011-11-11 21:21:00	well considering that there were at least four times as many people working in construction in 2006 compared to 2002 and most were unskilled labourers due to the rapid increase in the work load I'm not surprised at the figures but once again figures do NOT show the underlying reasons which is lack of training and personal responsibility. I hate certain safety measure's as much as the next person but they have kept me alive in a couple of close shaves so I accept them but I guess you don't need a hard hat if your heads in the sand What a load of........ The accident rate is worked out per 100,000 full time employees in the construction workforce in the years given. It is done that way so that the total number in each year doesn't screw the figures like you suggest. That was explained in the Post had you bothered to read it properly. :groan:	B.M. (505)
1242845	2011-11-11 21:26:00	Thes left wing types are sent to try us BM. We must persevere and try to educate them, though probably a loosing battle.	Cicero (40)
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