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| Thread ID: 121739 | 2011-11-10 02:52:00 | Three Pike river Parties charged over Pike River Mine. | Snorkbox (15764) | PC World Chat |
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| 1242786 | 2011-11-10 07:18:00 | Your ignorance is astounding, Its impossible to inspect a workplace into a safe state, OSH play a role but its accepted that they can't make a work site safe, It has to be a cultural shift within the entire workplace with support from all levels. It works when everyone is working towards a common goal, It is folly to suggest that workplace can made safe by OSH inspections, Hence they offer guidance and react to complaints and incidents. Its the last rung of the ladder and if OSH are involved it means a situation has gone very very bad, that a company has failed to provide a safe place of work as is their legal obligation. :lol: What an absolute Crock. OSH can close the whole place down if it doesn't meet requirements. They didn't and now they're trying to justify their existance. :lol: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1242787 | 2011-11-10 07:34:00 | The problem is ... OSH personnel do not have the expertise in mining practices, required to determine whether the mine is safe or not ... that's why there's specialist mine safety engineers. | SP8's (9836) | ||
| 1242788 | 2011-11-10 07:44:00 | The problem is ... OSH personnel do not have the expertise in mining practices, required to determine whether the mine is safe or not ... that's why there's specialist mine safety engineers. You are quite right. Equally, they don't have the expertise in many other trades either, but it doesn't stop them thinking they do. ;) |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1242789 | 2011-11-10 08:13:00 | :lol: What an absolute Crock. OSH can close the whole place down if it doesn't meet requirements. They didn't and now they're trying to justify their existance. :lol: The company is legally obligated to provide a safe place of work, they are not allowed to instruct or allow an unsafe practice. They failed in their obligations and 29 people died. Inspections cant fix that. The H&S act, and the bodies that enforce it are one of the best things that has ever happened for the workers in NZ, Its a shame that it is beyond your limited comprehension. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1242790 | 2011-11-10 08:16:00 | Agreed ... BM | SP8's (9836) | ||
| 1242791 | 2011-11-10 08:21:00 | You are quite right. Equally, they don't have the expertise in many other trades either, but it doesn't stop them thinking they do. ;) That is why the principles are enforced, Hazard management, emergency planning, employee input, The company undertaking the work has to provide the expertise, Dependent on the specific site and the process involved. OSH get involved when a company has failed to do so, and a person has been hurt. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1242792 | 2011-11-10 08:27:00 | The problem is ... OSH personnel do not have the expertise in mining practices, required to determine whether the mine is safe or not ... that's why there's specialist mine safety engineers. If the company had fulfilled their obligations (and there are plenty of companies that do) then 29 people would be alive today. Thats all there is to it, the company created a massively dangerous environment and then sent men to their deaths. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1242793 | 2011-11-10 08:50:00 | Seriously people, who created the situation, and who sent these men top their deaths? OSH or the company running the mine? So, who is getting prosecuted? yeah, thats right. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1242794 | 2011-11-10 09:24:00 | Agreed Metla Also the prosecutions may be ramped up as well to allow other charges. |
Snorkbox (15764) | ||
| 1242795 | 2011-11-10 18:20:00 | Seriously people, who created the situation, and who sent these men top their deaths? OSH or the company running the mine? So, who is getting prosecuted? yeah, thats right. :rolleyes: OSH is responsible for ensuring that an Employer keeps a safe workplace and conduct inspections to ensure this. OSH is given power under the HSE Act 1992 to enforce a safe workplace. OSH failed to discharge its duty in the case of Pike River because there is now evidence that the mine had been unsafe for a very long time. Therefore, both OSH and the Mining Company are guilty of negligence. OSH appears to be taking a “Holier-Than-Thou” stance when they should be prosecuted as well as the Employer. After all, if someone was electrocuted because of say an Electricians incompetence, which had been passed by an Electrical Inspector, both heads would roll wouldn’t they? :) |
B.M. (505) | ||
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