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Thread ID: 121924	2011-11-21 22:36:00	With the Election looming..........	B.M. (505)	PC World Chat

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1244756	2011-11-22 07:08:00	Well can you explain why it was thrown out having been fully tested. The joke is with FPP often it wasn't the party that won the most votes became the Govt.	mikebartnz (21)
1244757	2011-11-22 07:23:00	Well can you explain why it was thrown out having been fully tested. What the mass chooses tells us nothing. Not perfect, but at least the greens etc don't come into the act.	Cicero (40)
1244758	2011-11-22 07:30:00	Now - well I was leaning towards National . My reasoning was that Key has a business mind and is trying to get the country out of debt . This means making some sacrifices (asset sales) but ultimately worth it (?) . Key certainly has a business mind (all politicians have) - how to get all the wealth into his (their) own pockets . As I can see it, none of the present bunch of politicians is capable of getting NZ out of debt . I would be too naive to believe that asset sales will ultimately get us out of the present situation . Go to hell all this bunch of politicians! I look down on them! A bunch of crooks, liers .	bk T (215)
1244759	2011-11-22 08:00:00	The joke is with FPP often it wasn't the party that won the most votes became the Govt. Isnt that what we have got now??	Gobe1 (6290)
1244760	2011-11-22 08:46:00	No. National have got to get support from the Maori party if needed to pass laws if needed. In FPP who ever was in power could do what they liked without support from other parties. In the Muldoon years the country was almost ruled by a dictator who didn't need support from anyone else. :)	Trev (427)
1244761	2011-11-22 09:15:00	Well I hope you don't use the fast broadband National are putting in ! That's one of their few good policies...	pcuser42 (130)
1244762	2011-11-22 17:53:00	The joke is with FPP often it wasn't the party that won the most votes became the Govt . Very good point Mike . In both the 1978 and 1981 elections Labour held the majority of votes but National held the majority of Seats and were therefore the Government . As I recall, the incumbent Governments also used to play jiggery-pokery with the Electoral Boundaries to help their cause . Also, those in favour of FPP may also need to reflect on the fact that it was 85% of the voters that voted against FFP in the 1992 referendum, so the people that had seen it working clearly didn’t like it . ;) Having said that, MMP certainly hasn’t been the answer either, so it’s time to try something else . Personally I’m still leaning toward STV but as the old saying goes, “The Proof of the Pudding is in the Eating” . ;)	B.M. (505)
1244763	2011-11-24 00:39:00	Here’s part of an E-Mail received from a mate that I thought may interest some of you . Ok, it’s Winston Peters spilling the beans, but my concern is that none of the other party’s have been prepared to deny his statements at all, let alone vigorously deny them . Anyway, for your consideration: :) "The parties that have been in parliament over the last term want that same, safe situation to continue so they can get on with their cosy arrangements and agendas . New Zealand First is going to shine some sunlight on these . This is where we start: First: The Crafar farms . A company set up by the communist government of China is waiting to buy thousands of hectares of prime dairy farmland . Receivers for an Australian owned bank are behind the deal . An application has been in front of the Overseas Investment Office for over eight months . Nothing has happened . And do you know why? The National led government is hiding this sellout of our farmland until after the election . They won’t front up about it during the election campaign . It’s secret . Second: Another little secret . Four claims of customary title to the foreshore and seabed are being discussed behind closed doors in parliament . The negotiations are not being shown the light of day . It’s one of the jack-ups between the National Party and the Maori Party . Four major areas of foreshore and seabed are being handed over and privatized without any other New Zealanders having a say . This is disgraceful . This is why you need New Zealand First in Opposition in parliament and this is why they are desperately trying to stop us . Just cast your minds back three years . At no stage did the National Party say they would take the foreshore and seabed away from Crown ownership and transfer it to some kind of marine limboland . They’ve left it open to be taken and plundered . Now the third point: Along with the foreshore and seabed sellout there is another process going on called a constitutional review . The basic aim of this is to create a new system in which everyone becomes subservient to the Treaty of Waitangi . The Treaty will become the centerpiece of a new constitution which will give different rights to different races . It’s interesting that none of the parties in parliament during the last term has said anything about this . They are all in on the act . And they certainly don’t want New Zealand First in there asking awkward questions about the rights of all New Zealanders . This is a serious situation . So why the secrecy? Why the conspiracy of silence over an issue that goes to the heart of our unity as a nation? New Zealand First believes strongly in the principle of equality of citizenship . We agree that the injustices of the past must be sorted out . But we will never move on – we will never achieve true adulthood as a nation - if we have separate systems for different races . Acquired victimhood and contrived reparation are obstacles to a prosperous unified future . In Opposition in parliament we would be at pains to explain this and we would also suggest ways to overcome these barriers to progress . The fourth point of contention is the sale, or part sale of taxpayer owned assets built up over the generations . Our power stations were planned and built by people of vision so that New Zealand would always have a cheap source of hydro-electric power . It was to be a renewable source of energy to provide electricity for factories, farms, homes, hospitals and just about every source of activity . Now there is talk of selling large chunks of this system overseas . They’ve finally admitted it . The finance minister went around Asia before the last Budget trying to flog off at least half our energy resources . Where was the opposition? Well the big trouble was the Opposition had also been guilty of flogging stuff off . New Zealand First has drawn a bottom line over this issue and that is why they don’t want us in Opposition . We would vote against any such move . So those four points are very important to us . 1 . No more sales of our farmland to foreign buyers . 2 . No more secret deals over the foreshore and seabed and back to Crown ownership . 3 . No new constitution based on the Treaty of Waitangi . 4 . No sale of taxpayer owned strategic assets . In their haste to form a government before the election, the other parties are actually trying to thwart the will of the people . We say let the people vote and then the politicians can start sorting out their government . And when they do we’ll be there watching over their shoulders just to make sure they don’t get into any deals that are not seen out in the open . We say to all the parties take the people into your confidence . Tell them what’s happening . It’s called democracy . And as part of that democracy New Zealand First will be sitting on the Opposition benches with open eyes, open minds and the interests of all New Zealanders in our hearts . We are going to make sure you get a fair go - no matter who forms the next government . They’ll just have to get used to the idea . "	B.M. (505)
1244764	2011-11-24 01:04:00	Typical rhetoric from Winston - all claims totally unprovable (until they come to pass - or not)	johcar (6283)
1244765	2011-11-24 01:18:00	Typical rhetoric from Winston - all claims totally unprovable (until they come to pass - or not) Do you mean like the Winebox episode.:D	mikebartnz (21)
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