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Thread ID: 121842	2011-11-17 03:10:00	Lack of jobs??	mzee (3324)	PC World Chat

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1243954	2011-11-18 05:14:00	Lack of jobs? Half of the jobs advertised require experience. Where are people going to get that from? There is going to be even less jobs if Labour more gets into government and raise the minimum wage. What employer is going to turn around and hire someone that does have any experience in the job and expect to be paid $15. Nobody is worth $15 and unless they have the experience and qualifications.	QW. (15883)
1243955	2011-11-18 05:42:00	The child killers are dominators, you say that is being superior. And presumably desirable? When one society can dominate another entire society then individual talents for abuse are irrelevant, as is quaint concepts such as desirability.	Metla (12)
1243956	2011-11-18 06:37:00	apart from milk & beef ... (who wants our lamb anymore??) NZ doesnt make anything in significant amounts. Period . Thats why there are no jobs. Just churning the same local $$ wont make jobs. Govt funded jobs & govt projects are short term only, funded by borrowing. They dont make true growth. Will be less jobs when we have to actually pay those $$ back. And we do have to pay those $$ back. Expect some real pain. Jobs based on Tourism are low paid, bottom of the ladder sort of stuff. NZ is not a 1st world Economy. We have been near bottom of the OECD for as long as I can remember (at least 30+ years) Its time we stopped expecting 1st world wages & 1st world govt infrastructure & welfare. Look at wages in lower paid asian countries. Thats who we are competing against, realistically thats the level our wages are heading towards. Very well said - and its what I have been saying for a while. Its not just New Zealand, its the USA, and Europe as well. China makes stuff in bulk for them and we just take a small part of it. Some people seem to think that China makes all that stuff just for us ! The middle class in the USA is fast disappearing. I'm not sure of the answer. If the west "made" China raise their currency to what it should be then prices of everything we buy would rise ! But some manufactuing may come back to the west. I think of things that we should do well in, like furniture (wood etc) But everyone knows that we are too far away (freight costs) to ever be a big exporter of manufactured stuff.	Digby (677)
1243957	2011-11-18 06:39:00	I will become a rock star and employ caterers and drivers and security and computer geeks and roadies and pyros and fitness people and artists. It will be massive. We need more decadent rock star types. Yes and I could be Bic Runga's groupie !	Digby (677)
1243958	2011-11-18 07:11:00	Nah! You would be too busy with the Rena!!	Snorkbox (15764)
1243959	2011-11-18 07:12:00	When one society can dominate another entire society then individual talents for abuse are irrelevant, as is quaint concepts such as desirability. I tend to forget your ability with the big picture. goo.gl	Cicero (40)
1243960	2011-11-18 19:51:00	Very well said - and its what I have been saying for a while. Its not just New Zealand, its the USA, and Europe as well. China makes stuff in bulk for them and we just take a small part of it. Some people seem to think that China makes all that stuff just for us ! The middle class in the USA is fast disappearing. I'm not sure of the answer. If the west "made" China raise their currency to what it should be then prices of everything we buy would rise ! But some manufactuing may come back to the west. I think of things that we should do well in, like furniture (wood etc) But everyone knows that we are too far away (freight costs) to ever be a big exporter of manufactured stuff. Quite right, we are far too distant from China to ever export to them. ;) It seems strange that all those merchant bankers who do so well aren't dragging our economy up by the bootstraps, surely the CEOs busily buying up other companies must rapidly be elevating us? Aren't those armies of consultants, flocking lawyers and beaverish accountants pumping up our fiscal strengths? What does "Te Treaty" have to say about this?	R2x1 (4628)
1243961	2011-11-18 20:10:00	On another tack, a thing that really annoys me is the advert that offers the minimum wage then goes on to say "must be experienced"!! How the hell is anyone going to become experienced if they can't get a job? The experienced one wouldn't work for the minimum wage anyway! Greedy employers wanting cheap labour and too lazy to train them! My son did a 4 year apprenticeship + 1 year for management & to get the city & guilds qualification, all done here in NZ. He did the C&G as it's more acceptable around the world than the NZ version. He worked for a couple of years after & then went on his OE, gaining lots of experience in many different apsects of his chosen career, came back to NZ to find exactly this scenario. The only places that have wanted him are trying to pay minimum wage & get him to work all the unsociable hours. He's got 2 choices. Stay here & get nowhere, or look overseas. The airport is beckoning, well done NZ	Phil B (648)
1243962	2011-11-18 22:13:00	Lack of jobs? Half of the jobs advertised require experience. Where are people going to get that from? There is going to be even less jobs if Labour more gets into government and raise the minimum wage. What employer is going to turn around and hire someone that does have any experience in the job and expect to be paid $15. Nobody is worth $15 and unless they have the experience and qualifications. They did a article on raising the wage. Perhaps for smaller orgs but larger orgs didn't see that. However places like hospitality, increasing wage can be a +ve effect. People spend more with more wages and can hire more staff. In terms of getting the experience, after uni I worked in a call centre (along side those who have not completed 7th form and those who just got their Call Centre certificate from a polytech) as a casual temp employee and got my experience that way then I worked in office temp before getting a more proper job. In a way many people just don't end up in careers of what they studied/trained.	Nomad (952)
1243963	2011-11-18 22:14:00	My son did a 4 year apprenticeship + 1 year for management & to get the city & guilds qualification, all done here in NZ. He did the C&G as it's more acceptable around the world than the NZ version. He worked for a couple of years after & then went on his OE, gaining lots of experience in many different apsects of his chosen career, came back to NZ to find exactly this scenario. The only places that have wanted him are trying to pay minimum wage & get him to work all the unsociable hours. He's got 2 choices. Stay here & get nowhere, or look overseas. The airport is beckoning, well done NZ Well I had an incident a few years ago now where another NZ family left for Aus but because their oldest was in her last year at school she stayed with us to complete her NCEA. She did that and was fully qualified to enter any NZ University to study Law. So, she packed her bags and headed to Aus to join her family only to find NCEA won’t get you into an Aus University. She was told she would have to qualify in Aus as they didn’t recognise NCEA. Don’t know if anything has changed, but the “Points for picking up rubbish” saga was on at the time. Gone are the days when NZ qualifications would put you on the “short list” for jobs the world over. In fact the way we’re going the Country’s next achievement will be achieving Third World status. :groan:	B.M. (505)
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