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Thread ID: 150854 2022-08-27 03:46:00 The Magna Carta 1215 Roscoe (6288) PC World Chat
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1488043 2022-08-27 03:46:00 Do you remember learning about the Magna Carta in history when you were at school? Perhaps you remember article 39:

No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way except by the lawful judgement of his equals or by the law of the land.

This meant that the law stood above the will of the king. and these same provisions would be used to argue that power was exercised with the consent of the people not in spite of them. What the charter says remains relevant to this very day because it goes to the heart of the relationship between citizen and state.

This was written at a time when the king's word was law and you disobeyed the monarch at your peril. Thankfully today, no doubt because of article 39, what we refer to as democracy, holds sway.

I just thought that, in these days, you might find that relevant. :)
Roscoe (6288)
1488044 2022-08-27 04:42:00 Do you remember learning about the Magna Carta in history when you were at school? Perhaps you remember article 39:

No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way except by the lawful judgement of his equals or by the law of the land.

This meant that the law stood above the will of the king. and these same provisions would be used to argue that power was exercised with the consent of the people not in spite of them. What the charter says remains relevant to this very day because it goes to the heart of the relationship between citizen and state.

This was written at a time when the king's word was law and you disobeyed the monarch at your peril. Thankfully today, no doubt because of article 39, what we refer to as democracy, holds sway.

I just thought that, in these days, you might find that relevant. :)

Pity alot of groups that want to bring down the governments use that reason too
the_bogan (9949)
1488045 2022-08-27 04:55:00 Pity alot of groups that want to bring down the governments use that reason too

The irony of some of them seeking elected office, in order to make us ungovernable. They don't seem to appreciate that without govt there's lawlessness and chaos. They won't like that either when they get it.
From my own observations, they're all simply selfish and self indulgent, and don't appreciate any obstacles to their own free will to do whatever they want. Kinda juvenile when you think about it.
Paul.Cov (425)
1488046 2022-08-27 05:02:00 The irony of some of them seeking elected office, in order to make us ungovernable. They don't seem to appreciate that without govt there's lawlessness and chaos. They won't like that either when they get it.
From my own observations, they're all simply selfish and self indulgent, and don't appreciate any obstacles to their own free will to do whatever they want. Kinda juvenile when you think about it.

Get it right Paul, I'm okay with you doing what you like, as long as I agree with what you do. That's the spirit, right?
the_bogan (9949)
1488047 2022-08-27 11:05:00 Isn't it great that the MSM distorts the message and goes for the click-bait.! decibel (11645)
1488048 2022-08-27 11:59:00 Mmmmmm, somehow I thought this was about wanting to be able to object to having a vaccine, like hopefully the majority would be compelled to do if they were good citizens, as if it was some sort of breech of human right to not to be able to do exactly as one pleases. zqwerty (97)
1488049 2022-08-27 22:01:00 Mmmmmm, somehow I thought this was about wanting to be able to object to having a vaccine, like hopefully the majority would be compelled to do if they were good citizens, as if it was some sort of breech of human right to not to be able to do exactly as one pleases.

Why would you object to having a vaccine? That does not make sense. Don't you understand that at the least you can get very sick and potentially it can kill you? I think that is a damn good reason to have the jab.

But that's not what we are talking about here. Before 1215, the king's word was law. You did not have a choice. To object was treason, so you did what he said or you could be imprisoned for life or even executed. Article 39 of the Magna Carta changed that.

But I would have thought that you would have learnt about the Magna Carta at school. I know that I did. That was part of our history lessons. Perhaps they don't teach that now. I went to school in the 50s, early 60s, so it was part of the curriculum in those days.
Roscoe (6288)
1488050 2022-08-27 22:37:00 "Why would you object to having a vaccine? That does not make sense. Don't you understand that at the least you can get very sick and potentially it can kill you? I think that is a damn good reason to have the jab."

Tell that to the thousands of people who did and are objecting by protesting outside Parliament to vaccine mandates because it's their human right to do as they please.

It's not so much any individual getting sick because they didn't get the vaccine, it's that they become another vector and curie dish for new versions and passing the new versions on.

"No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way except by the lawful judgement of his equals or by the law of the land."

This is a bit like they are claiming that the government does not have the power/right to mandate vaccines.
zqwerty (97)
1488051 2022-09-01 00:22:00 The Magnet Carter wasn't taught at my school(s); they weren't into prophecy.
;)
R2x1 (4628)
1488052 2022-09-01 05:02:00 I see that "bishop" Brian's party is called "Freedom And Rights Coalition". FARC for short. It should be "Freedom And Rights Coalition Everywhere". Brucem (8688)
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