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Thread ID: 122384	2011-12-18 20:51:00	Smoking in bars	fred_fish (15241)	PC World Chat

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1249392	2011-12-19 01:25:00	I think smokers may get used to the smell so it doesn't seem so offensive, Smokers have no concept of the (putrid) stench that surrounds them, or how it taints everything and everyone who comes near them.	Metla (12)
1249393	2011-12-19 01:31:00	I think this sums it up nicely	gary67 (56)
1249394	2011-12-19 01:31:00	As for harm, alcohol causes a fair bit of harm, see that getting taxed to the stratosphere? Actually it *is* taxed Nagging never helped anyone, and foaming at the mouth spouting crap about 2nd hand smoke doesn't do much for the anti-smoking brigade. As for odour, what a massive over reaction, ban garlic, ban strong aftershave, ban BO. Ban diesel vehicles in cities. Yeah when I started working in town, I would choke as I walked into the PCWorld building with all the smokers breathing on me. It may not be 'real' to you, but to others it most certainly is a problem. I almost feel sorry for smokers, constantly being pushed farther out into the cold. Almost. It's a self inflicted problem, no one forced anybody to be a smoker. I used to go into town regularly on a saturday night when smoking in bars was normal. It never bothered me too much as long as it wasn't right in my face but the next day you wake to find your hair and clothes reek of cigarrete smoke, it really is quite unpleasant. Smokers feel like the victims here, but having to go outside to smoke isn't as bad as non smokers having to avoid bars altogether if they don't like second hand smoke. You can smoke in your own home, you can smoke outside. But smoking where other people are forced to share it wether they wish to or not is antisocial and unfair. Smokers for generations have cared little for the effects on others, now it's our turn to care little when they have to go stand out in the rain. While we're at it why don't we ban the flicking of cigarette butts out of car windows and in public places. Pretty much agree there. There's an instant $400 fine for littering I believe, and flicking a cigarette butt out the window comes under that umbrella. There is Noise Control for when your neighbours force their noisy behaviour upon you, this is the same in my opinion. Why do smokers insist on comparing it to alcohol, we could compare it to drinking meths but that would be equally pointless. It's like a child caught doing something wrong who has to point out everything everone else has done in an atttempt to justify themselves. Alcohol may be as bad, it may be worse. So what we were talking about smoking. Each should be Judged on it's on merits regardless of the other. Do you feel the need to punish others because you can't get your own way? Haha too right! But since it does always get brought up lets make a few comparisons; Alcohol in excess is bad for you - smoking in any quantity is bad for you Alcohol in moderation (1 drink a day) has many health benefits - smoking has none Alcohol has no 2nd hand health risk to anyone else - smoking in confined spaces can have some (sure it's uncertain to what extent, but it is more than 0) Alcohol is addictive for some people and can be very detrimental to peoples lifes and families, for those who have drinking problems I concede it is probably worse than cigarettes - Smoking kills people (this is medically proven at this point, no point living in denial) and is generally considered addictive for pretty much everyone. Both can have unpleasant odours, but sitting near people drinking does not taint your hair and clothing like smoke does. True, although alcohol in excess can have second-hand effects if they do things like drink and drive. But honestly the main thing for me is people being free to chose for themselves. If you smoke near me you are taking away my choice not to breathe smoke or forcing me to move, and if you are like many smokers you get angry or aggressive and insulting if I dare to complain about it. Usually I don't, I can't be bothered with the wasted conversation. Yeah that's an interesting thought, I wonder what would happen if somebody was taken to court for Assault if somebody asked a nearby person to stop smoking and they refused. From my recent stint in court as a juror, I could envisage that kind of thing actually standing up and the plaintiff winning...	Chilling_Silence (9)
1249395	2011-12-19 01:43:00	I also propose a separate lead lined room for mobile device carriers as I object to being subjected to their 2nd hand radiation. It has been shown to cause harm, however these studies are being actively suppressed and discredited by 'big mobile' corporations...	fred_fish (15241)
1249396	2011-12-19 02:34:00	I will cross the street or hold my breath if I have to walk past someone who is smoking, just as you have the right to smoke, I also have the right not to smell the stuff. As will I. I don't want my lungs clogged with tar because of someone else's poor choice.	pcuser42 (130)
1249397	2011-12-19 02:43:00	I also propose a separate lead lined room for mobile device carriers as I object to being subjected to their 2nd hand radiation. It has been shown to cause harm, however these studies are being actively suppressed and discredited by 'big mobile' corporations... Probably not a bad idea either - certainly wouldn't affect me at least! As will I. I don't want my lungs clogged with tar because of someone else's poor choice. It's the smell that gets me more than the health effects. I think vehicle exhaust (and not just diesel) is more likely to do you damage since it's everywhere all the time - the smell just isn't as noticeable.	Agent_24 (57)
1249398	2011-12-19 02:43:00	I'd like everyone to mind their own Ps and Qs before telling others what to do!!	Snorkbox (15764)
1249399	2011-12-19 02:46:00	Yeah I think the argument is that you get more radiation by eating a banana vs a 5 minute phone call, or something to that effect. That, and somebody else nearby you on their cellphone won't make you cough, splutter, although there is merit in that argument that it may or may not be detrimental ... Seen the movie "Thankyou for Smoking"?	Chilling_Silence (9)
1249400	2011-12-19 02:48:00	I also propose a separate lead lined room for mobile device carriers as I object to being subjected to their 2nd hand radiation. It has been shown to cause harm, however these studies are being actively suppressed and discredited by 'big mobile' corporations... Even the studies that do support the idea of mobile devices being a health risk tend towards it only being a risk with continual exposure at extraordinarily short (<20cm) distances. So why are you walking along with your head leaning on my pocket? I'd call that sexual harassment. I have no problem with people who smoke and are considerate about it - if you want to choke yourself then by all means go for it, but don't subject others to it.	inphinity (7274)
1249401	2011-12-19 03:01:00	I think a reality check is needed. Smokers are banned from indoor public areas. No one is going to die or get clogged lungs from being at smelling distance of smokers outside, ie having smokers 5M away while outside. get a slight puff of cig fumes waft inside, who cares . get real. no worse than all the other smells we all need to live with. It wont kill you. It wont hurt you. Standing next to a smoker OUTSIDE will not hurt you, unless perhaps you stand next to him continously for 45 years. Be more worried about all the other pollutants in the air , food & water Be more worried about that laser printer/xerox machine in the office. Be more worried about the additives in petrol , that we all breathe in or just get on with it & realize you'll probly live to 75 regardless	1101 (13337)
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