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Thread ID: 122404	2011-12-19 12:37:00	I hope those that live in Auckland have other means of Transport.	Snorkbox (15764)	PC World Chat

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1249601	2011-12-19 23:56:00	Note I said trains are fine if you happen to live and work in reasonably close proximity to the line. 90% of us do not. I have spent a lot of time working in view of the near empty trains going past south of Otahuhu. Perhaps all the trains are full on the other lines but I tend to doubt it. Public transport in Ak only works for some. Try figuring out the economics of traveling from say Howick to Onehunga for example. It is a lot quicker and cheaper to go by private vehicle.	CliveM (6007)
1249602	2011-12-20 00:35:00	My experience of train travel in Auckland is that they are very well patronised. I take the 5.16 from Britomart to Onehunga and you have to be very quick to get a seat. I live in Ranui - there is a train station down the road. But I work in Albany, no train tracks here. And too slow, too expensive, most places I've worked have not been on thr route. This is why we all put up with the traffic, we have to.	pctek (84)
1249603	2011-12-20 06:25:00	I haven't been on a train in a while now - that stupid patronising voice they have now to announce the stations coming up and which also tells you to mind the step (as if everyone is a complete idiot) makes me grind my teeth in anger. Not going to listen to that tripe and rot my brain.	Agent_24 (57)
1249604	2011-12-20 07:00:00	I haven't been on a train in a while now - that stupid patronising voice they have now to announce the stations coming up and which also tells you to mind the step (as if everyone is a complete idiot) makes me grind my teeth in anger. Not going to listen to that tripe and rot my brain. Stupid? I quite like Nathaniel Lees :) And only half the trains have them anyway... And too slow As Roscoe mentioned, they're faster than the bus. too expensive A monthly pass costs me $180 a month. This is far cheaper than fuel alone for any of our cars, never mind parking costs. This is why we all put up with the traffic, we have to. Who said? ;) Note I said trains are fine if you happen to live and work in reasonably close proximity to the line. 90% of us do not. 90% sounds far too high... I have spent a lot of time working in view of the near empty trains going past south of Otahuhu. Bear in mind that there are a lot of empty movements in and out of Otahuhu as trains stable there. The longer trains especially typically run a few runs then run empty from Britomart to Westfield.	pcuser42 (130)
1249605	2011-12-20 09:57:00	Stupid? I quite like Nathaniel Lees :) Not when you have to sit there for an hour or so travelling almost the entire western line listening to this "mind the step" crap every 5 minutes as if we are all stupid idiots who can't figure out how to walk out of a train without accidentally killing ourselves! People have had trains for a long time, you can bet 99% of people managed to get on and off without dying or getting maimed all without some voice telling them what to do. I don't care who did the voice recordings, I find the whole thing insulting to my intelligence as a person who knows how to walk out of a train. In the same vein, what's up with the big yellow and black striped stickers they put all over the doors a couple of years ago? Another pointless excercise in 'safety' no doubt. If someone is too stupid to figure out where the door is, and needs guidance in remembering to watch their step (and also must be reminded what station they're at) then they probably shouldn't be allowed outside their own house without someone to personally help them anyway, at which point the annoying voice would be redundant!	Agent_24 (57)
1249606	2011-12-20 10:23:00	Not when you have to sit there for an hour or so travelling almost the entire western line listening to this "mind the step" crap every 5 minutes as if we are all stupid idiots who can't figure out how to walk out of a train without accidentally killing ourselves! It's entertaining :)	pcuser42 (130)
1249607	2011-12-20 17:36:00	As Roscoe mentioned, they're faster than the bus. A monthly pass costs me $180 a month. This is far cheaper than fuel alone for any of our cars, never mind parking costs. But not faster than me. That's more than I spend on petrol now. And what parking cost?	pctek (84)
1249608	2011-12-20 18:08:00	Starting to look like pcuser42 is a member of Len Brown's fan club.	CliveM (6007)
1249609	2011-12-20 20:30:00	Starting to look like pcuser42 is a member of Len Brown's fan club. Well of course, I didn't want John Banks in ;) (Disclaimer: I was too young to vote in the local election) I can debunk your statements all day Clive. Fact is PT use is increasing and private car use is decreasing. ;) And as a railfan I can get inside knowledge of rail operations :D And what parking cost? The $16 a day cost at the university.	pcuser42 (130)
1249610	2011-12-20 22:48:00	It will be interesting to see if you still think the same when you have been around for a few more years. My children all seemed to go through a "save the world, lefty, greenie" phase but now have a more balanced outlook on life. I guess working for a living and raising a family tends to do that to most of us. :)	CliveM (6007)
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