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Thread ID: 122384	2011-12-18 20:51:00	Smoking in bars	fred_fish (15241)	PC World Chat

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1249382	2011-12-18 23:24:00	A pack of 20 going up to $15 I think from the New Year. :)	Trev (427)
1249383	2011-12-18 23:33:00	A pack of 20 going up to $15 I think from the New Year. :) Make it ten times that. :devil	pcuser42 (130)
1249384	2011-12-18 23:44:00	Smoking is simply a waste of money, a health risk and it smells awful - there are no upsides. Exactly the same can be said about booze, especially the way NZ'ers consume it I think the smell of frying onions is far far worse, especially in small spaces. Can we ban that as well. The non smokers who complain, are usually completely over the top . If they get even the slightest smell of ciggies, they jump up & down complaining . - I've seen this, often enough. :p	1101 (13337)
1249385	2011-12-18 23:47:00	you can add to that over powering perfume from women and body odour from both sex Sure, I don't discriminate... :D	psycik (12851)
1249386	2011-12-19 00:05:00	I can never understand why smokers get so upset when non-smokers don't like them smoking near them. Smoking is simply a waste of money, a health risk and it smells awful - there are no upsides. Except for the fact that it makes you look so cool!!! :yuck:	johcar (6283)
1249387	2011-12-19 00:50:00	I can never understand why smokers get so upset when non-smokers don't like them smoking near them . We don't . We get upset about all the bullshit put around, the ranting and taxing . None of which helps . See heroin addicts giving up because of the cost? Nope, didn't think so . As for harm, alcohol causes a fair bit of harm, see that getting taxed to the stratosphere? Nagging never helped anyone, and foaming at the mouth spouting crap about 2nd hand smoke doesn't do much for the anti-smoking brigade . As for odour, what a massive over reaction, ban garlic, ban strong aftershave, ban BO . Ban diesel vehicles in cities .	pctek (84)
1249388	2011-12-19 01:04:00	A pack of 20 going up to $15 I think from the New Year. :) B&H, Rothmans, Marlboro, Dunhill will all be over 16$. 19.70 for 25s. Holiday, Pall Mall etc will be under 15. But here's a qestion: If people are currently paying 2$ more for the B&H, Marlboro, etc., compared to cheaper ciggies, will this change their minds on smoking? When the prices of smokes get to 20$, I'll start smoking weed instead. Tax that!	Cato (6936)
1249389	2011-12-19 01:07:00	As for odour, what a massive over reaction, ban garlic, ban strong aftershave, ban BO. Ban diesel vehicles in cities. The difference between cigarettes and the rest (bar diesel) is that cigarettes smell absolutely awful, the rest are either contained to one person (aftershave), signs of poor self-care (BO) or actually not that bad. Of course, being a diesel railfan, I don't mind the diesel from trains :D though if a diesel vehicle smells it really needs servicing...	pcuser42 (130)
1249390	2011-12-19 01:10:00	Why do smokers insist on comparing it to alcohol, we could compare it to drinking meths but that would be equally pointless. It's like a child caught doing something wrong who has to point out everything everone else has done in an atttempt to justify themselves. Alcohol may be as bad, it may be worse. So what we were talking about smoking. Each should be Judged on it's on merits regardless of the other. Do you feel the need to punish others because you can't get your own way? But since it does always get brought up lets make a few comparisons; Alcohol in excess is bad for you - smoking in any quantity is bad for you Alcohol in moderation (1 drink a day) has many health benefits - smoking has none Alcohol has no 2nd hand health risk to anyone else - smoking in confined spaces can have some (sure it's uncertain to what extent, but it is more than 0) Alcohol is addictive for some people and can be very detrimental to peoples lifes and families, for those who have drinking problems I concede it is probably worse than cigarettes - Smoking kills people (this is medically proven at this point, no point living in denial) and is generally considered addictive for pretty much everyone. Both can have unpleasant odours, but sitting near people drinking does not taint your hair and clothing like smoke does. sure some people are genectically resistant to all the adverse effects, my grandfather lived to 92 and never stopped smoking. But they are the lucky ones not the rule. But honestly the main thing for me is people being free to chose for themselves. If you smoke near me you are taking away my choice not to breathe smoke or forcing me to move, and if you are like many smokers you get angry or aggressive and insulting if I dare to complain about it. Usually I don't, I can't be bothered with the wasted conversation.	dugimodo (138)
1249391	2011-12-19 01:16:00	Exactly the same can be said about booze, especially the way NZ'ers consume it As for harm, alcohol causes a fair bit of harm, see that getting taxed to the stratosphere? I agree with that, alcohol also seems pretty pointless from my point of view . Are you sure alcohol isn't taxed? the stuff seems pretty expensive to me . (not that I buy it) We don't . We get upset about all the bullshit put around, the ranting and taxing . None of which helps . See heroin addicts giving up because of the cost? Nope, didn't think so . Nagging never helped anyone, and foaming at the mouth spouting crap about 2nd hand smoke doesn't do much for the anti-smoking brigade . I also agree that nagging people about something usually just makes them (albeit illogically) want to do it even more . But if that doesn't help, what does help? I believe anyone who wants to quit can get pretty good help . Apart from that I'm not sure . The non smokers who complain, are usually completely over the top . If they get even the slightest smell of ciggies, they jump up & down complaining . I don't usually complain (except for in this thread right now) but I will cross the street or hold my breath if I have to walk past someone who is smoking, just as you have the right to smoke, I also have the right not to smell the stuff . As for odour, what a massive over reaction, ban garlic, ban strong aftershave, ban BO . Ban diesel vehicles in cities . I think smokers may get used to the smell so it doesn't seem so offensive, I'm not sure, but for someone who has never smoked, I find it awful . Certainly worse than the other things you mention but garlic or sardine breath is pretty nasty too . Assuming both of you are smokers, as an experiment, give up smoking, then tell me if you still think it doesn't smell that bad, would be interesting to see what the result is .	Agent_24 (57)
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