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Thread ID: 122457	2011-12-22 00:38:00	5 year old attacked ... WTF is going on in this country	SP8's (9836)	PC World Chat

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1250227	2011-12-30 22:56:00	Probably not quite an 80/20 rule, but maybe a 95/5. Not quite sure what you are on about there. My experience at school was that the cane kept the majority under control through fear, but had no impact whatsoever on about 5% or so of students who wanted to cause trouble. We had two forms of punishment at school for bad offenses. Hard labour and the cane and it depended who was giving the cane but mostly we took the cane. The majority is all you are going to ever have an affect on no matter what. Youth Court/Police diversion as well will impact on the majority of kids, who will make one appearance and never be seen again. It won't impact on those who are intent on causing trouble. I would like to know where you get that the majority will be impacted for the better there. Publication of names same thing - it will work on most but almost becomes a badge of honour for those it doesn't work on. As I said before it is only the likes of the Mongrel Mob types which will consider it a badge of honour and luckily they are a minority.	mikebartnz (21)
1250228	2011-12-31 04:46:00	Not quite sure what you are on about there . Pareto principle We had two forms of punishment at school for bad offenses . Hard labour and the cane and it depended who was giving the cane but mostly we took the cane . The majority is all you are going to ever have an affect on no matter what . Cane doesn't impact the ones it is meant to and the majority wouldn't step out of place anyway . I would like to know where you get that the majority will be impacted for the better there . Many teenagers skirt on the edge of the law . Police diversion and the like generally is enough to put them back on track . I've had a lot to do with coaching sports teams, you get to know that between 16 - 18 a lot of teenagers go off the tracks in some way, but youth aid and the like sort them out quickly . Youth Courts and the like are never going to divert the high end offenders, that is why the Government is looking for a new approach under welfare reform provisions . As I said before it is only the likes of the Mongrel Mob types which will consider it a badge of honour and luckily they are a minority . The mongrel mob types are the ones you guys harp on about . However if you set the rules for the likes of Youth Court for them, you'll drag a whole lot of kids who currently only get a warning or community service into the Criminal Justice system, and once they're in they will unfortuntely be influenced by the people already there .	Twelvevolts (5457)
1250229	2011-12-31 04:55:00	The mongrel mob types are the ones you guys harp on about. However if you set the rules for the likes of Youth Court for them, you'll drag a whole lot of kids who currently only get a warning or community service into the Criminal Justice system, and once they're in they will unfortuntely be influenced by the people already there. Rubbish, make it two offenses in a year and your bumped into adult court and guaranteed a custodial sentence, That will remove the scumbags laughing at the youth court and its system of enabling criminals to continually offend, and the "majority" that you believe are somehow scared straight, well, they have been scared straight so it won't effect them, It will just lock the dirt bags up with the adults they aspire to be. And a sentence in line with the crime should be applied at all levels, I know a guy who slit the throat of another person who was unarmed,hacked open his chest, stabbed him twice in the back and then stabbed a second person in the groin, This went to fGC, they came up with foster care with weekends at home, this would last for 6 months. One of the families involved said no way, they were ignored (in fact im yet to see a reason for the victims family attending a fgc) and that was that, The man still carries a knife but now he is addicted to the needle he pokes in his arm.	Metla (12)
1250230	2011-12-31 07:48:00	I know a guy who slit the throat of another person who was unarmed, hacked open his chest, stabbed him twice in the back and then stabbed a second person in the groin. You really should keep better company. Youth Court doesn't deal with Manslaughter or Murder other than as an entry point, do you just make this stuff up???	Twelvevolts (5457)
1250231	2011-12-31 08:27:00	You really should keep better company. Youth Court doesn't deal with Manslaughter or Murder other than as an entry point, do you just make this stuff up??? Would you like to see the scars?	Metla (12)
1250232	2011-12-31 19:46:00	Ooooh, no, we just like to talk about it.	Cicero (40)
1250233	2011-12-31 20:54:00	My experience at school was that the cane kept the majority under control through fear, but had no impact whatsoever on about 5% or so of students who wanted to cause trouble . Unfortunately in my experience, now there is no cane or slipper that 5% has now grown to around 25-30% causing trouble who wouldn't have before the cane ended	gary67 (56)
1250234	2011-12-31 22:49:00	I like the letter here: http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/ "We shoot mad dogs don’t we?" (24th December 2011)	Chilling_Silence (9)
1250235	2012-01-01 00:04:00	I like the letter here: http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/ "We shoot mad dogs don’t we?" (24th December 2011) Not only was the attacker not shot, he is supported by whanau. I have 16 and 14 year old sons, if one of them did this they would no longer be considered family, I would never want to see the scum again. Thats the difference between them and me. I would be doing my utmost to help the victim and family if they wanted it for as long as they wanted it. I wouldnt just "move on" as the saying goes..	prefect (6291)
1250236	2012-01-12 03:05:00	I don't know of any non-Maori family wanting to read a Karakia: www.stuff.co.nz If any of my family or friends did anything like that, I certainly wouldn't stand by in support of them!	Chilling_Silence (9)
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